House of the Dragon - Game of Thrones spinoff (SPOILERS)

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Anonymous wrote:The squabbling kids this episode was very reminiscent of GOT season 1, when Arya attacked Joffrey on the way back to King’s Landing and the adults wanting payback.

Yes. And I was waiting for some Lannister-style payback. Aemond is a twerp that got what he deserved. And I wanted Allicent to face some punishment for trying to kill! the heir to the throne.

If it wasn't clear before, it is going to be an S-show when the King dies.

I don't know if we'll see Laenor again ( I wasn't sure if I was seeing him at the end, but the showrunner comments make it clear it was him), but I'm kind of digging the icky Damon/Rhaenyra pairing.

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loved how Reanyra set her husband free though I couldn’t discern who was used as his corpse. His poor parents.

Why do you think that was her choice and not his and Ser Quarl’s?

Maybe it was but I thought what Daeman told him was basically I’m telling you (wink, wink) what to do without telling you fully what to do. All this money to live abroad to live as you like without judgement. Blagh blagh blagh

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Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

This was also my impression. Why else have the dialog about how R&D thought L was a good man?

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Anonymous wrote:The squabbling kids this episode was very reminiscent of GOT season 1, when Arya attacked Joffrey on the way back to King’s Landing and the adults wanting payback.

Yes. And I was waiting for some Lannister-style payback. Aemond is a twerp that got what he deserved. And I wanted Allicent to face some punishment for trying to kill! the heir to the throne.

If it wasn't clear before, it is going to be an S-show when the King dies.

I don't know if we'll see Laenor again ( I wasn't sure if I was seeing him at the end, but the showrunner comments make it clear it was him), but I'm kind of digging the icky Damon/Rhaenyra pairing.

+1. Hate Aemond, Alicent and her whole nasty family. Why aren’t there consequences for Alicent attempting to maim the heir? I like Daemon/Rhaenyra together and she needs his cunning and intelligence because she’s so pathetic like her father.

This show desperately needs some humor though. It’s so relentlessly dark and sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone expect Laena’s death would result in her baby being saved? The baby would be unburnt and would be extricated safely from Laena’s ashes.

In the book she died (not by fire) after giving birth to a horribly deformed child. I really wonder if they are playing down the fact that incest has consequences. Apparently Viserys and Daemon’s mother and father were also brother/sister as were their grandparents, plus a few generations before that, the original Aegon married both his sisters. Plus Laena and Daemon were cousins. That’s a pretty big ick factor for me.

No the Targs are allll about incest. They do it to keep the dragon riding ability strong and located only within their own house (See: the problem here with some of the Velaryons having their own dragons). Vicerys was married to his first cousin (Aemma, the woman who died via c-section). R&D eventually get together and have kids. Alicent marries her son Aegon to her daughter Helaena. Aegon’s daughter marries Rhaenyra’s son after the war and that’s how the Targaryen line continues down to Dany.

They truly don’t care about incest, lol.

Aegon’s daughter marries Rhaenyra’s son after the war but that’s not the line Dany came from.

OMG I have stop reading this thread since some of you are determined to spoil the show for the rest of us!!!

Family tree - spoilers I guess:
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Wow - instead of having 4 sets of great-grandparents, Daenerys only has 1 set.

DP. NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

Did you read the title of this thread?

OP here. I did not write Spoilers in the title, although I expected them. Jeff must have added the SPOILERS because crybabies were sad they couldn't read the thread until they watched the most recent episode.

Wrong. I asked Jeff to add it after they wouldn’t delete the posts giving book spoilers. I am always current on all the episodes. People are spoiling from the books, telling people who will die, who will marry, etc. Its really $hurry of them but they don’t care. They just want to be know-it-alls. There should be a separate thread for those wanting to discuss the books, but it’s too late they’ve already spoiled the show.

Omg, the books have been out forever. If it was important to you, you would have read them already. Will you also be upset if I tell you that both Romeo and Juliet die in the end?

Lots of people want to just watch the show and not already know how it’s going to end. Surely a book lover like yourself can understand that. It ruins the experience. I would say just be considerate but that seems a foreign concept.

+1. It's one thing to point out how the book is similar or differs from the series AFTER an episode comes out, but to run down the entire plot of the book is kind of rude.

+2 I would bet that most of the viewers of GOT and HOD have not read the books and would like to be surprised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The squabbling kids this episode was very reminiscent of GOT season 1, when Arya attacked Joffrey on the way back to King’s Landing and the adults wanting payback.

Yes. And I was waiting for some Lannister-style payback. Aemond is a twerp that got what he deserved. And I wanted Allicent to face some punishment for trying to kill! the heir to the throne.

If it wasn't clear before, it is going to be an S-show when the King dies.

I don't know if we'll see Laenor again ( I wasn't sure if I was seeing him at the end, but the showrunner comments make it clear it was him), but I'm kind of digging the icky Damon/Rhaenyra pairing.

+1. Hate Aemond, Alicent and her whole nasty family. Why aren’t there consequences for Alicent attempting to maim the heir? I like Daemon/Rhaenyra together and she needs his cunning and intelligence because she’s so pathetic like her father.

This show desperately needs some humor though. It’s so relentlessly dark and sad.

I agree it needs more humor, but I did laugh when Aemond pinned it on his brother and Aegon was all

We need some Tyrion wit!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

Exactly right. All three were complicit in the plot to get the lives they wanted.

I also agree that all of them were in on it. I feel terrible for Laenor's parents unless they are later revealed to be in the know, but that's not the impression I got. As I asked upthread, do you think Daemon and Rhaeneyra will raise Daemon's girls, or the Driftmark grandparents will?

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Anonymous wrote:The squabbling kids this episode was very reminiscent of GOT season 1, when Arya attacked Joffrey on the way back to King’s Landing and the adults wanting payback.

Yes. And I was waiting for some Lannister-style payback. Aemond is a twerp that got what he deserved. And I wanted Allicent to face some punishment for trying to kill! the heir to the throne.

If it wasn't clear before, it is going to be an S-show when the King dies.

I don't know if we'll see Laenor again ( I wasn't sure if I was seeing him at the end, but the showrunner comments make it clear it was him), but I'm kind of digging the icky Damon/Rhaenyra pairing.

+1. Hate Aemond, Alicent and her whole nasty family. Why aren’t there consequences for Alicent attempting to maim the heir? I like Daemon/Rhaenyra together and she needs his cunning and intelligence because she’s so pathetic like her father.

This show desperately needs some humor though. It’s so relentlessly dark and sad.

I agree it needs more humor, but I did laugh when Aemond pinned it on his brother and Aegon was all

We need some Tyrion wit!

I was surprised that Aegon recovered and actually responded well. Didn’t expect him to be so competent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

Exactly right. All three were complicit in the plot to get the lives they wanted.

I also agree that all of them were in on it. I feel terrible for Laenor's parents unless they are later revealed to be in the know, but that's not the impression I got. As I asked upthread, do you think Daemon and Rhaeneyra will raise Daemon's girls, or the Driftmark grandparents will?

D&L. Their children seem to be tight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

This was also my impression. Why else have the dialog about how R&D thought L was a good man?

This, plus also the last scene between Rhaenyr and Leaner was so warm that for her to turn around and have him killed would really make her out to be a total villain. Like it is obvious in the scene that she has great affection for him, wishes that they could have made their marriage work better for both of them while also serving political needs, and wants him to be happy. And also in that scene he basically says he's willing to put aside what he actually wants and would make him happy in order to serve those political ends for her benefit and their kids. Having him killed after he offers to selflessly put her needs before his would be unbelievably cold hearted especially given how that episode unfolded.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

This was also my impression. Why else have the dialog about how R&D thought L was a good man?

This, plus also the last scene between Rhaenyr and Leaner was so warm that for her to turn around and have him killed would really make her out to be a total villain. Like it is obvious in the scene that she has great affection for him, wishes that they could have made their marriage work better for both of them while also serving political needs, and wants him to be happy. And also in that scene he basically says he's willing to put aside what he actually wants and would make him happy in order to serve those political ends for her benefit and their kids. Having him killed after he offers to selflessly put her needs before his would be unbelievably cold hearted especially given how that episode unfolded.

PP here — Exactly. I will miss him. The actor is so attractive! The character however is frustrating — like even if you couldn’t really get it on in the bedroom, you could at least been around to defend the boys and put on a good show in public more often.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

Exactly right. All three were complicit in the plot to get the lives they wanted.

I also agree that all of them were in on it. I feel terrible for Laenor's parents unless they are later revealed to be in the know, but that's not the impression I got. As I asked upthread, do you think Daemon and Rhaeneyra will raise Daemon's girls, or the Driftmark grandparents will?

I think D&R will raise them for multiple reasons:

1) I think Daemon actually has real affection for them, which makes sense because he's incredibly self-regarding and they are his children. He won't just toss his own blood aside -- remember the Targaryen house words are "fire and blood." Family is everything to them.

2) They understand that the girls are also an asset. One of them is a dragon rider -- if they gave the girls up, they'd also give up the dragon. No way. Plus even without the dragon, the girls can be used as pawns in political plays down the road -- promised to other families in return for money or military or political support. They are incredibly calculating and their goal is to rule Westeros. They aren't going to throw away valuable assets.

But both of these could also cause the grandparents to fight for the girls and try to sway them over to their side, especially when they are older and of marrying age. I anticipate lots of manipulations of this younger generation in future episodes/seasons. It's the GOT way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

This was also my impression. Why else have the dialog about how R&D thought L was a good man?

This, plus also the last scene between Rhaenyr and Leaner was so warm that for her to turn around and have him killed would really make her out to be a total villain. Like it is obvious in the scene that she has great affection for him, wishes that they could have made their marriage work better for both of them while also serving political needs, and wants him to be happy. And also in that scene he basically says he's willing to put aside what he actually wants and would make him happy in order to serve those political ends for her benefit and their kids. Having him killed after he offers to selflessly put her needs before his would be unbelievably cold hearted especially given how that episode unfolded.

PP here — Exactly. I will miss him. The actor is so attractive! The character however is frustrating — like even if you couldn’t really get it on in the bedroom, you could at least been around to defend the boys and put on a good show in public more often.

I don't think we've necessarily seen the end of him. He is a secret heir -- he's alive and entitled to be the Lord of Driftmark but no one, including his parents, knows it. He could easily pop back up in a few years for any number of reasons, either of his own accord or he could be tracked down and dragged back to Westeros by someone who might find him useful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:** Spoilers for Ep 7 but not for any book stuff**


It wasn't clear to me if Daemon and Rhaeneyra were in on the "Laenor isn't actually dead but escaped to live his own life" twist.

Did Daemon kill that guard just as part of the plan to get the assassin/lover in the room with Laenor or was he helping secure a decoy body?
Did the assassin/lover go to Laenor, tell him the plan, and the two of them staged his death and escaped?

Rhaeneyra coldly killing (or thinking she did) her husband who just tried to recommit to being a good father make her a very different player than staging his death does.

This was my impression. I think Daemon and Rhaenyra were a part of the plot to fake the death. Daemon recruited Qarl and provided him with the decoy body.

Exactly right. All three were complicit in the plot to get the lives they wanted.

I also agree that all of them were in on it. I feel terrible for Laenor's parents unless they are later revealed to be in the know, but that's not the impression I got. As I asked upthread, do you think Daemon and Rhaeneyra will raise Daemon's girls, or the Driftmark grandparents will?

I think D&R will raise them for multiple reasons:

1) I think Daemon actually has real affection for them, which makes sense because he's incredibly self-regarding and they are his children. He won't just toss his own blood aside -- remember the Targaryen house words are "fire and blood." Family is everything to them.

2) They understand that the girls are also an asset. One of them is a dragon rider -- if they gave the girls up, they'd also give up the dragon. No way. Plus even without the dragon, the girls can be used as pawns in political plays down the road -- promised to other families in return for money or military or political support. They are incredibly calculating and their goal is to rule Westeros. They aren't going to throw away valuable assets.

But both of these could also cause the grandparents to fight for the girls and try to sway them over to their side, especially when they are older and of marrying age. I anticipate lots of manipulations of this younger generation in future episodes/seasons. It's the GOT way.

NP here. I think there is a future score to be settled with Aemond for stealing the one daughter’s dragon. She desperately wanted one.

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In the trailer for the next episode they have aged up the children. What’s confusing to me is that Aemond appears much older than Aegon. Assuming that Aegon is the one standing in front of him. The new Aemond looks like Matt Smith!