School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

I think you go from a sweet 11 year old to a gun toting 15 year old when you grow up with the kind of parents who would send that letter to Trump. They made this kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Sorry PP, but it’s not that simple. The vast vast majority of kids who are bullied- which is most of us at one point or another- grow up into mature adults and would never even dream of doing something like this. There is something else going on here.

[Anonymous]

I don't think we can overlook the impact on these giant high schools. 1800 kids. There is no way for the teachers and administrators to be able to know and nurture these kids (yes kids in high school still need nurturing). The counseling offices are understaffed such that when you have a situation with bullying or alleged bullying no one in power even really knows these kids or knows what is going on. I truly believe that a lot of the social problems we have with kids today could be solved with smaller, community schools.

[Anonymous]

Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Sorry PP, but it’s not that simple. The vast vast majority of kids who are bullied- which is most of us at one point or another- grow up into mature adults and would never even dream of doing something like this. There is something else going on here.

x1000000

Typical problematic parents trying to pawn off problematic kids on the school system. Great job!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

Link??

[Anonymous]

Most parents are pretty uninvolved with their kids during school hours and think its the schools responsibility. Look at what happened with covid/virtual where parents blame the school and yet they never monitored their kids to see if they logged on, participated or did the work.

These parents should be held accountable and they and their child get life long prison sentence with no possibility of release.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should be charged. Having weapons at home makes YOU culpable.

Absolutely

+1

The prosecutor said she is considering charges against the parents.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

So weird some pps are leaping to the conclusion that he was mercilessly bullied based on extremely thin evidence and ignoring other kids who say he wasn’t bullied, the fact that victims were random. AND the completely bizarre and disinhibited mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you go from a sweet 11 year old to a gun toting 15 year old when you grow up with the kind of parents who would send that letter to Trump. They made this kid.

+1

Their "sweet boy" (always this) doesn't just "snap" - the parents know damn well about their kid's propensity to snap, and failed every one of the deceased's families when the shooter's parents decided to do anything else but help their own kid. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

Link??

Blog post is linked in here:

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you go from a sweet 11 year old to a gun toting 15 year old when you grow up with the kind of parents who would send that letter to Trump. They made this kid.

They bought the guns, they bought the violent video games.... they are equally if not more accountable. He was so cute in those videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

So weird some pps are leaping to the conclusion that he was mercilessly bullied based on extremely thin evidence and ignoring other kids who say he wasn’t bullied, the fact that victims were random. AND the completely bizarre and disinhibited mom.

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Mom was probably over medicated, or under medicated, herself. These parents had plenty of red flag opportunities to help their kid, but instead chose to cry "bully!!".

Clearly, didn't help him, at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sophomore was shouting 'SHERIFF'S OFFICE' to get into a locked classroom and kill more fellow classmates.

I’m a teacher. I shouldn’t have watched that. This is my biggest nightmare. I feel sick. Those poor children

This is fake news. The Sheriff today confirmed that was actually one of his deputies sweeping the school.