Summer Swim Canceled

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

I believe it.

Ours is nothing like that. Division 14 and we have been in the 14-16 range for at least the last 12 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

They are top teams because they pull the top year round kids and those kids only generally show up for meets.

All teams have time trials as that is part of the meets. That determines if you are swimming A or B meets. Most private pool teams have preteam for kids who cannot swim a 25 but the time trials are not for selection for team but for meets. Our team has a week of practice/try out (usually most get selected the first day or two) for new kids and some are turned down.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

I believe it.

Ours is nothing like that. Division 14 and we have been in the 14-16 range for at least the last 12 years.

This is not accurate. All teams have time trials to see who swims a and who swims b meets. What I am talking about is tryouts to actually get on the team as there are limits on the number of kids who are allowed in, especially in public pools, not necessarily private community pools.

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So people pay to join Overlee pool and then their kids can't even join the swim team if they want to?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

I believe it.

Ours is nothing like that. Division 14 and we have been in the 14-16 range for at least the last 12 years.

This is not accurate. All teams have time trials to see who swims a and who swims b meets. What I am talking about is tryouts to actually get on the team as there are limits on the number of kids who are allowed in, especially in public pools, not necessarily private community pools.

Exactly. Time trials only set best times for the first meet. All kids at these pools are welcome to join the team and this is an NVSL rule.

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Where around here are public/county summer swim teams?

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Anonymous wrote:So people pay to join Overlee pool and then their kids can't even join the swim team if they want to?

I don’t believe this is the case. any kid who can swim can be on the team. We had a B meet against Tuckahoe (a Div 1 team). The team was huge (200 swimmmers) and there were plenty of kids who were not decent swimmers. At pp said, all teams have time trials. It’s how they get initial times for the all the kids and decide who swims at the first A/Saturday meet. It’s also used as a measure of improvement for all swimmers over the season. Now with a Div 1 team or any really large team your kids needs to be a top swimmer/typically year round to make the A team cut. But anyone can swim b meets.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

I agree with this PP that year round swimmers should do their summer team practice if the times don't conflict. I grew up swimming and used to do my club team's practice at 5:30 am then go to the summer league practice at my summer pool at 8 am or whatever it was. It was so easy compared to the club practice and I would get to see friends that didn't swim year round. It was swimming just for the fun of it. Oh and despite my deep involvement with the sport, my parents never for certified to do stroke and turn or any of that stuff. My mom would be a timer sometimes or maybe the snack bar and that was it. I think I stuck with it so long because my parents were not super involved... just supportive.

It’s not really fair to say they should go to practice if they don’t have a conflict. For us, it would mean, kids swimming 2 hours in a long course pool from 6-8 am 5 days a week and then one kid swimming from 9-10 and another kids swimming from 10-11 with those two practices way too easy. AND then swimming Monday evenings at a meet, Saturday mornings at a meet and several evenings for an hour each practice. My kids definitely go to summer swim practice but I don’t make them go based on no conflicts because they’d be at swim way too much or at way too easy practices over practices that are more level-appropriate for them. I think they should go 2 times a week or so to their summer practice.

If your kids cannot practice and participate on the team, they should not be on team. Doing meets is taking away from other kids who actually are practicing with the team and active members. You are selfish and only in it to win. You have no idea what people say about families like you and its not good. If you just do meets, you are NOT part of the team. You are using the team for meets. You have a winter team with meets so there is no reason to take away slots from other kids who are actually participating.

Did I say my kids can’t practice with the team? I said mine go 2x a week. That means my kids are at the B meet Monday, a practice Tuesday, a practice Wednesday, a pot luck Wed, a pep rally Friday, a meet Sat, (then add IM carnival, divisional relays, divisional all stars, social outings, etc), and they participate with the mentoring program with the new swimmers (showing and staying during their strokes at the b meets AND cheering them on and coming for the mini practices -meaning my kids are there from 11-11:30 most day without pay cheering little kids on) But, uh, yeah, I’m using the team for the meets. Just because my kids aren’t at the practices 5 days a week doesn’t meet we aren’t heavily invested in the team. We are and love it. That still doesn’t mean I’m making them practice 5 days a week with the team. I think two is sufficient. It’s not as if we show up for time trials and a meets and you don’t see us again. If that’s not enough in your eyes, I can live with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

I agree with this PP that year round swimmers should do their summer team practice if the times don't conflict. I grew up swimming and used to do my club team's practice at 5:30 am then go to the summer league practice at my summer pool at 8 am or whatever it was. It was so easy compared to the club practice and I would get to see friends that didn't swim year round. It was swimming just for the fun of it. Oh and despite my deep involvement with the sport, my parents never for certified to do stroke and turn or any of that stuff. My mom would be a timer sometimes or maybe the snack bar and that was it. I think I stuck with it so long because my parents were not super involved... just supportive.

It’s not really fair to say they should go to practice if they don’t have a conflict. For us, it would mean, kids swimming 2 hours in a long course pool from 6-8 am 5 days a week and then one kid swimming from 9-10 and another kids swimming from 10-11 with those two practices way too easy. AND then swimming Monday evenings at a meet, Saturday mornings at a meet and several evenings for an hour each practice. My kids definitely go to summer swim practice but I don’t make them go based on no conflicts because they’d be at swim way too much or at way too easy practices over practices that are more level-appropriate for them. I think they should go 2 times a week or so to their summer practice.

If your kids cannot practice and participate on the team, they should not be on team. Doing meets is taking away from other kids who actually are practicing with the team and active members. You are selfish and only in it to win. You have no idea what people say about families like you and its not good. If you just do meets, you are NOT part of the team. You are using the team for meets. You have a winter team with meets so there is no reason to take away slots from other kids who are actually participating.

Did I say my kids can’t practice with the team? I said mine go 2x a week. That means my kids are at the B meet Monday, a practice Tuesday, a practice Wednesday, a pot luck Wed, a pep rally Friday, a meet Sat, (then add IM carnival, divisional relays, divisional all stars, social outings, etc), and they participate with the mentoring program with the new swimmers (showing and staying during their strokes at the b meets AND cheering them on and coming for the mini practices -meaning my kids are there from 11-11:30 most day without pay cheering little kids on) But, uh, yeah, I’m using the team for the meets. Just because my kids aren’t at the practices 5 days a week doesn’t meet we aren’t heavily invested in the team. We are and love it. That still doesn’t mean I’m making them practice 5 days a week with the team. I think two is sufficient. It’s not as if we show up for time trials and a meets and you don’t see us again. If that’s not enough in your eyes, I can live with it.

Without pay... how is this even part of the discussion. there is no teaching at B meets and most pools don't allow anyone on the side of the pool. Maybe we should start a go fund me so your elite kids can get "paid."

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Anonymous wrote:So people pay to join Overlee pool and then their kids can't even join the swim team if they want to?

I don’t believe this is the case. any kid who can swim can be on the team. We had a B meet against Tuckahoe (a Div 1 team). The team was huge (200 swimmmers) and there were plenty of kids who were not decent swimmers. At pp said, all teams have time trials. It’s how they get initial times for the all the kids and decide who swims at the first A/Saturday meet. It’s also used as a measure of improvement for all swimmers over the season. Now with a Div 1 team or any really large team your kids needs to be a top swimmer/typically year round to make the A team cut. But anyone can swim b meets.

You have to kinda be able to swim a 25 - at least mostly make it across without drowning to do the B meets. Most of the private pools have preteam and lessons for kids not on team and they will take any member's child who wants to swim or learn. Public pools have to limit the kids as with 200 kids, its tuff and meets take hours and practices are overcrowded but if they let everyone in some of those teams would be 300+ kids and it isn't manageable except if they split it up into two teams. Most people belong to private pools here but some of us are with the public county pool teams. Very big difference on how they are run and it really varies by team rep as the other county teams are run much differently than ours.

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Anonymous wrote:Where around here are public/county summer swim teams?

Montgomery County, PG County, Howard and all the other MD counties with pools have them. DC also has a team. I'm sure VA counties have them too. Go on your county rec department website and look. Most aren't listed yet or ours is not and its normally open by now. We haven't heard anything.

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Virginia doesn’t have public county swim teams. I have never heard of those.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

That is not true. Stop making sh!t up.

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Anonymous wrote:So people pay to join Overlee pool and then their kids can't even join the swim team if they want to?

Don’t believe everything you read on dcum.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

yes definitely-- Overlee has time trials to get on the team. So does Chesterbrook. I don't know- but I suspect all D1 is that way.

I believe it.

Ours is nothing like that. Division 14 and we have been in the 14-16 range for at least the last 12 years.

This is not accurate. All teams have time trials to see who swims a and who swims b meets. What I am talking about is tryouts to actually get on the team as there are limits on the number of kids who are allowed in, especially in public pools, not necessarily private community pools.

Yes. I understand. I was saying I’m glad we are with a team that does not limit the number of kids and that there aren’t “tryouts”.