Right. One time my daughter's daycare called me ELEVEN times in a row before trying her father who picked up on the first try (during COVID so we're literally in the same house). And before anyone's like WHY didn't you drop everything and pick up, I was on a call because my job is just as important as his. And when we signed up I lectured everyone at the school about how I did not expect to be the default parent that was called, he should be. Ridiculous. When we had nannies, they literally would not address any issue with my husband. It ALL went through me. |
NP. I do much less of the execution because my husband knows how much mental load there is and how bad he is at it, but this seems like a solution a lot of husbands won't go for? It's still a lot of tabs open, but I have more space for that when doing much less of the routine stuff and execution. |
Ah you are in a senior executive role so your career is already mentally taxing. That's why you don't sweat the small stuff. I was wondering but this explains it. If you are constantly moving chess pieces at work, doing it at home is nothing new. I hope that makes sense. I'm sorry about your wife. |
It's weird that you complain about "martyr moms" when you can't stop Not All Menning on a topic about which there is actual research quantifying how much of this stuff, on average, falls to moms rather than dads. Also, eff you on the mortgage stuff. I pay all the bills and make all the investment decisions. I know a lot of women who handle the finances, and not because their backgrounds made them better equipped to do so, but because their spouses couldn't wait to slack off/delegate once there was someone else who would catch the balls they dropped. The mental load comes from the kids AND the household, and the only thing worse than enduring the "self-inflicted" wound of taking on the mental load is enduring the consequences that would be inflicted on me and the kids if I chose the path of entropy. |
My working mom friends and I were having conversations around this when my oldest was in daycare. He’s a college sophomore now. |
Sure, remembering to pay the mortgage and other bills is a mental load! That's a great example because it's one task that's gotten a lot easier over the years. I am old enough to have had to sit down wih checkbook, stamps and a calendar, working out when to mail certain bills so the money would be in my account but also get the envelopes through the mail on time. Now we can schedule the mortgage payment and other bills easily, but signing up for camp is much more complicated (plan out the weeks, coordinate with friends, create account, sign up the day/time that registration opens, get health forms signed and uploaded, etc. etc.) Is camp as important in the long run as paying the mortgage? Of course not, but assuming your family isn't scrambling to keep a roof over your heads, then maybe someone needs to figure out what to do with the children over the summer. Like you, I know many engaged and involved dads, but for whatever reason it's always the moms who are doing this kind of organizing behind the scenes. |
Lol at the paying the mortgage stuff. I’ve set the mortgage payment on autopay. It takes the least time of any of my tasks. (Maybe once a year or less when the payment changes I have to adjust it). It takes much, much more time to figure out summer activities for the kids. I wonder what super dad’s kids would have to say about his attention to their emotional and developmental needs. |
You are complicating things and you are the reason why your children need therapy. I am a working mom, and I don't do most of those things. I don't have any picky eaters because my priorities were to raise healthy kids, and not worry about Christmas cards. I don't keep track of anyone's addresses and don't send any cards (I am Christian and cards have nothing to do with Christmas). My kids are in high school and college now and we never had any professional shoots and we don't have a single photo with Santa. We never ever coordinated clothes (this sounds really crazy). I don't track birthdays for extended families, only my own family (my husband, my kids, my parents, and my sibling). I never tracked the school calendar and kids always were responsible for that. They are now pretty independent. We don't keep materials on hand (I hate clutter and I am very minimalistic) and kids learn to be creative when they need to make something last minute. Dentist and pediatrician - my husband chose them from the insurance provider's list and is close to our house. We never used therapists for children. We never chose extracurricular for kids, they were allowed to do what they like. Two kids were accepted into several Ivies. I potty trained them before they reach 1 y.o. and they didn't start daycare until the age of 3. Childcare varied over the years. We have no family around so we had to be very flexible and creative. Kids never had behavior issues. I think kids reflect your mental state, and if you are so anxious about all the things you listed, it is going to affect your kid's mental state a lot. No screen time policy as we never had cable TV or video games. Kids always were active in sport, several varsity teams. |
NP here. And wow! 1. You are seriously going to blame PP for her kid's ADHD?! What is this, the 1960s? 2. If your kids are in college, then I don't think you really understand what it's like to have younger kids these days. When my older sister first talked about scheduling activities etc, I thought like you that she was nuts. And now I realize that things just don't work like they used to. Even if an elementary kid wants to play a sport, you have to sign up the day they open...or all of the slots will be gone. The HW load for even Kindergarteners is insane. We vacillate between not enforcing it and not wanting to undermine the teacher. But either way, my 5 y.o. is simply not able to manage this on his own. Neither is my 7 y.o...given how much more work she is given. 3. I don't do most of the stuff the PP talks about either (Christmas cards, matching outfits, etc)...but those aren't really the things that suck up your energy IMHO. |
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Completely optional: Christmas cards, professional photo shoots, coordinating outfits, gifts or cards for extended family and friends, demanding extracurriculars/travel sports, decorating for holidays, travel for pleasure, home renovations
Somewhat optional: Gifts or cards for close family/in-laws, camps or activities with stringent deadlines, charitable giving, volunteer work. Sports, scouting, tutoring, art/music instruction, clubs. Cultural activities/dining out. Pet care/vet/training. Holiday tips, teacher gifts, yearbooks, PTA. Church. Technically/possibly optional: Field trips, school pictures, orthodontia, birthday parties, fundraisers, school dances/plays/activities/snack/potlucks. Playdates, entertaining. Birthday, holiday gifts/celebrations for immediate family. Travel to see family, assisting elderly relatives, weddings. Supervising homework, teacher conferences, extra credit. Therapies, specialized programming. Home improvement, gardening. Meal planning. Not optional: tracking school calendar, securing child care/aftercare/summer programming, doctor/dental appointments, haircuts, clothes and shoes. Sick days. Forms/paperwork for school. Paying bills, grocery shopping, food prep, home/yard maintenance. Cleaning. Covid impacts/quarantines. |
Um, if you have a pet...I don't htink caring for it is optional. This is why I don't have a pet. |
Right. A pet is something of a luxury, actually. |
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Completely optional. Yes if it's fun for you, no if it's not: Christmas cards, professional photo shoots, coordinating outfits, gifts or cards for extended family and friends, demanding extracurriculars/travel sports, decorating for holidays, travel for pleasure, home renovations, church, fundraisers, school dances/plays/activities/snack/potlucks, supervising homework (for typical children), home improvement, gardening, extra credit, school pictures, PTA.
Somewhat optional, you do you: Gifts or cards for close family/in-laws, volunteer work. Sports, scouting, tutoring (assuming you mean letting a kid take a harder class than they can handle on their own), art/music instruction, clubs. Cultural activities/dining out. Yearbooks. Technically/possibly optional but skipping them every year would make you a pretty major jerk: Field trips, orthodontia, birthday parties, camps or activities with stringent deadlines, charitable giving,, playdates, entertaining. Birthday, holiday gifts/celebrations for immediate family. Travel to see family, assisting elderly relatives, weddings. Teacher conferences, holiday tips, teacher gifts Not optional: tracking school calendar, securing child care/aftercare/summer programming, doctor/dental appointments, haircuts, clothes and shoes. Sick days. Forms/paperwork for school. Paying bills, meal planning (or how do you shop, ffs?), grocery shopping, food prep, home/yard maintenance. Cleaning. Covid impacts/quarantines. Therapies, specialized programming -- either not optional or not necessary. Pet care/vet/training if you have a pet, but you're not required to get a pet. |
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1) There is no blame there at all, it is causation. If mama is so anxious, overtired, and overwhelmed with the small stuff, then yes, there are higher chances that kids will develop some mental health issues. 2) I still have kids in High School. No, you don't need to sign them on the exact day when they opened, you sign them up wherever you can. If you missed that, kids pick a different activity. I don't know why you don't let your kids manage their own homework. This is how they learn executive skills. This will ensure that by the high school, they already acquired this skill to manage their workload. And my kids always had tons of homework because they were in private school that were way more advanced than our FCPS. |