What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainians have had a significant military breakthrough today. Russians are fleeing in certain parts of the country. Perhaps the rout to the Dnieper is on!

Yes but Russia is getting equipment from North Korea. Well Putin has restore Russia to its former glory.

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Anonymous wrote:No, its more like, why should Ukraine cede Crimea? Ukraine has a borders. It is a country. Russia needs to get out.

It's not that hard.

Crimea is never coming back. Ukraine knows it and the world knows it so there's no point focusing on the unrealistic goals.

I mean is Israel getting out of the West Bank? Nope. A full ocean of Palestinian tears won't change that.

Never say never—history is long. But I suspect Ukraine would settle for something without the peninsula but can’t give up the southern shore. And Russia feels like it needs that southern shore to lock down the Black Sea which has always been its military obsession since C the Great at least. I’ve looked at the map a lot and I just don’t see how anyone can let Russia have that lane bridge they want. It cuts off Ukraine too sharply and leaves Odessa hanging. It’s literally a bridge too far.

I've said that before like a hundred times...that's exactly what Istanbul talks offered. Retreat to Feb 24 lines, and tabling Crimea/Donetsk for 15 years. They could have had their south back.

I think part of the issue is trust. No one in Ukraine believes Russian when they say they’ll go back to 2020 positions. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I wouldn’t trust Putin at all, so I can’t really blame them. It costs become too high, they may not have much choice but I think there would be a greater comfort level if anyone sensed any regret on Putin’s part, and not like he’ll just roll back in once they have a chance to catch their breath and make better preparations (which they utterly failed to do this time). If that happens it might go worse for Ukraine in round 3.

[Anonymous]

If the Ukraine can take back some more territory it will make the Russia position in the south untenable. The Russia will have to retreat or lose a lot more troops and equipment. Do not thing they care about the troops,

There is only about 4-6 week left before the mud season returns and all fighting will stop. The fight will pick up again once everything freezes.

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The Russian Ministry of Defense has revealed the name of the commander of the West group of troops, which is participating in the war with Ukraine along with three other groups: Center, South and East. It turned out to be Lieutenant General Andrey Sychevoi.

July 20, 2022

https://hindustannewshub.com/russia-ukraine-news/shoigu-names-fourth-army-commander-in-ukraine-the-moscow-times/

[Anonymous]

It sounds like there have been significant gains by UKR over the past 48 hours, and at this point, a key railroad hub is threatened to the point that the entire Russian military supply chain could be cut off.

Military experts are suggesting Ukraine will retake Crimea in 2023.

[Anonymous]

If Ukraine can take back some or all of their land, more power to them.
Just make it quick…
I think frozen conflict is more likely though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, its more like, why should Ukraine cede Crimea? Ukraine has a borders. It is a country. Russia needs to get out.

It's not that hard.

Crimea is never coming back. Ukraine knows it and the world knows it so there's no point focusing on the unrealistic goals.

I mean is Israel getting out of the West Bank? Nope. A full ocean of Palestinian tears won't change that.

Never say never—history is long. But I suspect Ukraine would settle for something without the peninsula but can’t give up the southern shore. And Russia feels like it needs that southern shore to lock down the Black Sea which has always been its military obsession since C the Great at least. I’ve looked at the map a lot and I just don’t see how anyone can let Russia have that lane bridge they want. It cuts off Ukraine too sharply and leaves Odessa hanging. It’s literally a bridge too far.

I've said that before like a hundred times...that's exactly what Istanbul talks offered. Retreat to Feb 24 lines, and tabling Crimea/Donetsk for 15 years. They could have had their south back.

Someone in State wanted this war badly, and for it to go on.

A "cheap" way to contain Russia, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, its more like, why should Ukraine cede Crimea? Ukraine has a borders. It is a country. Russia needs to get out.

It's not that hard.

Crimea is never coming back. Ukraine knows it and the world knows it so there's no point focusing on the unrealistic goals.

I mean is Israel getting out of the West Bank? Nope. A full ocean of Palestinian tears won't change that.

Never say never—history is long. But I suspect Ukraine would settle for something without the peninsula but can’t give up the southern shore. And Russia feels like it needs that southern shore to lock down the Black Sea which has always been its military obsession since C the Great at least. I’ve looked at the map a lot and I just don’t see how anyone can let Russia have that lane bridge they want. It cuts off Ukraine too sharply and leaves Odessa hanging. It’s literally a bridge too far.

I've said that before like a hundred times...that's exactly what Istanbul talks offered. Retreat to Feb 24 lines, and tabling Crimea/Donetsk for 15 years. They could have had their south back.

Someone in State wanted this war badly, and for it to go on.

A "cheap" way to contain Russia, I guess.

Yes the state of Russia.

[Anonymous]

The general singled out the role of Turkish-made Bayraktar drones. “Enemy infantry and motorised artillery units unprotected by air defence systems become easy prey for our Bayraktars, the quantity of which is always increasing, thanks to our volunteers,” he said.

A top US general, Mark Milley, described the progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive as “steady” and “deliberate”, and pointed in particular to the impact of US-supplied high-mobility artillery rocket systems (Himars) in supporting Ukraine’s advance.

“We are seeing real and measurable gains from Ukraine in the use of these systems,” Gen Milley, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff, said in Ramstein, Germany. “For example, Ukrainians have struck over 400 targets with the Himars and they’ve had a devastating effect.

“Russian lines of communication and supply channels are severely strained. It is having a direct impact on the Russian ability to project and sustain combat power. Russian command and control in their headquarters have been disrupted and they’re having great difficulty in supplying their forces and replacing their combat losses.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/08/antony-blinken-makes-surprise-visit-to-kyiv-promising-2bn-military-aid

Looks like Russia is unable to supply its troops. Losing too much equipment before it gets to the front. This is not good because the supply lines are very short. Once the weather turns and the Russia are forced to use the hard roads it will be very hard to get food to their troops.

[Anonymous]

If the below is true, then Ukraine will retake all of Donbas imminently.

And the rout into Crimea will be on. Why would Ukraine "negotiate" with Russia to cede parts of its country, particularly when Russia cannot be trusted to stand down?

Putin has exposed the Russian military as a paper bear. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Ukraine can take back some or all of their land, more power to them.
Just make it quick…
I think frozen conflict is more likely though

Frozen conflict cannot happen if Russia cannot resupply their troops.

[Anonymous]

There are a solid 20,000+ Russian troops who are about to be completely cut off.

Thoughts and Prayers.

[Anonymous]

Holy moly. There are reports that Ukrainian soldiers have entered Izyum today. The Russian Army is completely collapsing.

Move over Vichy France there's a new surrender monkey in town.

Is it time to start laying down our next Tsar bets? If so, I'm going with the Wagner Group guy with Chechnya breaking away.

[Anonymous]

Remember this? When Trump saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and he said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

So. Much. Winning. Amirite, MAGAs?