Honest question for liberals about diversity/multiculturalism

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Decent thread congrats posters

I'll sum it up

Limousine Liberal. Loves diversity and multiculturalisim. Sends kids to majority white/asian high SES school or private school.... Hypocrite.... North Arlington, Western MoCo, DC Ward 3 fighting tooth and nail against school boundary changes or bussing.

And I know some liberals actually live what they preach and send their kids to real diverse schools with actual blacks/hispanics/ FARMS and ESOL rates but they are the vast minority

Question for those people though.... why are you sacrificing the quality of your child's education for multicultuarlisim/diversity

Also summary point when people are giving the choice they choose to live near people that look and act like them with similar views and values its human nature.

Have you ever been to a high school cafeteria from a diverse school???? Its totally segregated by race.....

We're not. Truly. The biggest indicator of future success is maternal education. The reason the majority white schools look more successful is that the kids with advantages are concentrated there. My kids, who are demographically identical to kids in richer parts of the area, are doing just fine. Better than fine. Learning a ton, getting amazing opportunities, and super happy - all while being in the minority.

Fair point. I've read that too. . So all the fears of DCUM with lesser kids dragging their special snowflakes down.... lova ya DCUM
Still I have to be honest I just can't see being in a situation where my children are a minority and not just that super minority. Say going to a school that is less than 25% white or over 50% another race and I think if most people are honest with themselves that's the real issue.

[Anonymous]

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Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Yup see this all the time

[Anonymous]

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Um, that "whiter more affluent charter hustle" in DC likely still has far more socioeconomic diversity than your Bethesda school, which last time I checked were over 60% white. There's likely more white kids in your kid's Bethesda classroom than there are in that "hustled affluent DC charter" you're complaining about. So again, mind those glass houses.

I'm a white liberal actually living my values. My upper middle class white kids are at a school with a 50% FARMS rate and that is majority minority. Try again.

Well good.

Then please don't insult other liberals by automatically assuming we aren't and worse yet, leaping straight to accusing us of hypocrisy. Especially when we all know that less-liberal leaning folks are far less interested in diversity than we are.

If you are a white liberal in a HRC or living in Bethesda, then I don't see how you can tell yourself you are living your values. Just because mouth breathing racists are worse than you, doesn't make you virtuous. It just makes you better than them. Great. You are less (openly) racist than a Trump supporter. But unless you are actively living your values, the only thing you are doing is voting for the right things. Necessary but not sufficient.

Nobody is virtuous. A virtuous woman (or man) is rarer than emeralds. But just because a person isn't a Saint doesn't mean they aren't doing good. If you keep being this mean to them, maybe they'll come to a realization that they never can please you and stop voting for the right things. Voting for the right things is a good thing, not to be scorned.

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

I personally am white but live in PG. But even though I live in an area where my race is a minority, I don't think anything is gained by demonizing white liberals. And I really think they are economic bigots, not racist. There is a difference. If there were a community full of people of color that were all going to HYP and staring fantastic fortune 500 businesses, I think they would be quite happy to send their kids there.

[Anonymous]

Can we leave Bethesda out of this? It's got a disproportionately high percentage of personality-disordered folks.

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Also, do you think Bethesda types would let their kids to go school in Appalachia? Or even in Charles or Calvert county? They are against poverty, not race.

[Anonymous]

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Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Seriously? I challenge you to find me one public school in the DC metro area that is 89% white or greater.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Yup see this all the time

"Waah, 'white liberals'...."

Cool story, bro. And... as opposed to WHAT, you conservatives? Conservatives who are living your lives in even more segregation than anyone else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Seriously? I challenge you to find me one public school in the DC metro area that is 89% white or greater.

Even the most highly touted DC charters are nowhere even remotely near 89% white. In fact most of them are majority minority.

And guess what - most of the white kids that are there come from liberal households. Virtually no conservatives.

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The notion that white DC area liberals won't send their kids to a school that's more than 50% non-white is a bit off. Consider that the the most highly sought-after charters in DC like Washington Latin and BASIS are barely 40% white. However, that said, they more accurately reflect the current demographics of DC, which is 38% white. The charters take kids from all wards. The bigger issue is with the other DC public schools which end up with governmentally imposed geographic segregation based on school boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Yep, we're all just "limousine liberals" - and those white kids in DC schools? Evidently they don't belong to anyone and aren't real, they are just holographic projections being beamed down from space by satellite or something.

Sorry but my kid is quite real and is very much in a DC public school that's majority minority. Throw around whatever "white limousine liberal" strawmen you like but in my eyes you are full of BS.

[Anonymous]

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The progressives aren't the ones yelling and screaming about bathrooms. That's been entirely the conservatives, who are as though they've suddenly woken up from a coma to realize that in all of their years sometimes the guy in the stall next to them in the men's room hasn't really been a guy, and now they are acting as though this is all new and sudden and thrust upon them to the point where they feel the need to rush out and lobby their state legislatures to pass laws and to have "bathroom enforcers" checking people for gender....

No, it started when families would not accept a private bathroom as an option. It started when Charlotte passed a law similar to Obama's directive. The others laws were in reaction.

And, to the poster who said that trans were already using the restrooms--okay--then why was a directive necessary to change it. We now have a directive which allows non-trans males to go into a girls' bathroom. There is no definition to the transgender attached to the directive. This means that any pervert can go into the restroom of their choice. And, I do not mean the trans people.

It also means that biological boys can bump your daughter off of a girls' team. It means they can compete as females. Win scholarships. Title IX which demanded that girls' sports also be included in public schools was hard comeby. Now it means nothing.

No one thought about the unintended consequences when O put this out. Obama never considers unintended consequences.

This is more fun than liberal trying to out-liberal each other on how diverse their kid's school is:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still no answer on what's been "taken away?"

So loud and vocal one minute, yet complete silence now...

Let’s see. Here are some things that I believe we are losing:

1. Tolerance on college campuses. In the name of “diversity,” colleges now have “safe spaces” for people to go to “relax” and “express their ideas.” But, of course, those spaces are only safe if you hold the same liberal views that colleges teach. Conservative speakers are rarely invited to college campuses.

2. Tolerance for people who hold different views. If one believes in traditional marriage or gender specific locker rooms, they are dismissed as homophobic or bigoted.

3. Religious tolerance. If a baker chooses not to make a cake or cupcakes for a gay wedding on religious grounds, that baker is sued and is in danger of losing his/her livelihood.

4. The concept that all people should be respected and not all points of view should be respected. Self-explanatory.

5. The concept that the best person for the job should be the one hired. Due to affirmative action, the strongest candidate for a job may very well NOT be the one that is hired.

Another one from the same guy:

This addresses 1-4...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Yep, we're all just "limousine liberals" - and those white kids in DC schools? Evidently they don't belong to anyone and aren't real, they are just holographic projections being beamed down from space by satellite or something.

Sorry but my kid is quite real and is very much in a DC public school that's majority minority. Throw around whatever "white limousine liberal" strawmen you like but in my eyes you are full of BS.

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

I am a white liberal and I would not call that diverse for my community. There are no asians or latinos in that group. And there are plenty of schools with more than 11% minority representation where the parents are just fine with things.

Two of my friends went to Cleveland Heights High and thought it was great. That's 3/4 black but it's a high achieving school.

Bottom line is that parents want schools that are high performing. And they want diversity. They are not always in conflict, and if you believe that, then your racism is in the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still no answer on what's been "taken away?"

So loud and vocal one minute, yet complete silence now...

Let’s see. Here are some things that I believe we are losing:

1. Tolerance on college campuses. In the name of “diversity,” colleges now have “safe spaces” for people to go to “relax” and “express their ideas.” But, of course, those spaces are only safe if you hold the same liberal views that colleges teach. Conservative speakers are rarely invited to college campuses.

2. Tolerance for people who hold different views. If one believes in traditional marriage or gender specific locker rooms, they are dismissed as homophobic or bigoted.

3. Religious tolerance. If a baker chooses not to make a cake or cupcakes for a gay wedding on religious grounds, that baker is sued and is in danger of losing his/her livelihood.

4. The concept that all people should be respected and not all points of view should be respected. Self-explanatory.

5. The concept that the best person for the job should be the one hired. Due to affirmative action, the strongest candidate for a job may very well NOT be the one that is hired.

Another one from the same guy:

This addresses 1-4...

Even if there is some truth in what he says, he is nevertheless a completely arrogant, self-satisfied, sadistic a**hole. People like him make me want to be a conservative. He seems to get a kick about insulting other people.