Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

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He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

You are dishonestly intentionally misrepresenting what this creep did. You see no problem treating women inappropriately. You minimize abuse. We see you clearly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

Ya boy was going to get away with it. He wimped out.
You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

If she doesn’t want to be his patient again, she does have to request it. And that is her right. She doesn’t have to be uncomfortable to make him comfortable. And I have seen ZERO evidence he was bullied by ANYONE. Lots of snowplow boy moms on this thread.

Just one.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

You are dishonestly intentionally misrepresenting what this creep did. You see no problem treating women inappropriately. You minimize abuse. We see you clearly.

Oh puhleeze. This isn't like writing a bad Yelp review, but that's basically what this very young woman did probably not understanding the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal? :roll:

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

If she doesn’t want to be his patient again, she does have to request it. And that is her right. She doesn’t have to be uncomfortable to make him comfortable. And I have seen ZERO evidence he was bullied by ANYONE. Lots of snowplow boy moms on this thread.

She was there for STD testing.

Typical ploy by the abuser. Your attempt to smear the victim won't work here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

This wasn’t a small thing.

What HE did wasn't a small thing.

It literally was. She simply didn't to see him again she didn't even lose a wink of sleep.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal? :roll:

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

If she doesn’t want to be his patient again, she does have to request it. And that is her right. She doesn’t have to be uncomfortable to make him comfortable. And I have seen ZERO evidence he was bullied by ANYONE. Lots of snowplow boy moms on this thread.

She was there for STD testing.

Typical ploy by the abuser. Your attempt to smear the victim won't work here.

Well she had to come back in 2 weeks so clearly something was up. Probably figured out her BF who abused her was cheating on her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

You are dishonestly intentionally misrepresenting what this creep did. You see no problem treating women inappropriately. You minimize abuse. We see you clearly.

There have been a few DCUM posts re. South Asians and misbehavior. The South Asians are vigorously defended presumably by fellow South Asians. They will throw Americans under the bus and don't give a rat's azz doing so. It's tribal.

[Anonymous]

His bedside behavior makes me shiver. He sounds like a porn addicted creepy weirdo and a lawsuit magnet. He was obviously trying to sleep with a young female patient, who hours earlier he was asking to touch her privates, then loitered in the room to see her private under the guise of training, then used her chart to cyberstalk her.

He should have been expelled.

And what in the hell do his undergrad grades have to do with their son being an unprofessional creep?

I’d bet anything the lawsuit reveals this was not his first rodeo and his version of this event was full of falsehoods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal? :roll:

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

If she doesn’t want to be his patient again, she does have to request it. And that is her right. She doesn’t have to be uncomfortable to make him comfortable. And I have seen ZERO evidence he was bullied by ANYONE. Lots of snowplow boy moms on this thread.

She was there for STD testing.

Typical ploy by the abuser. Your attempt to smear the victim won't work here.

Well she had to come back in 2 weeks so clearly something was up. Probably figured out her BF who abused her was cheating on her.

Reading between the lines she was probably prescribed antibiotics for a UTI. Doesn’t mean she had an STD or got the UTI from sex. But that’s the narrative his family seems to be trafficking: This was a young Godless western whore with STDs baiting their high caste “doctor” son. :roll:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal? :roll:

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

+1

He asked an adult woman some awkward questions. There was no need for her to make a formal report, let alone for the university to bully him to death.

If she doesn’t want to be his patient again, she does have to request it. And that is her right. She doesn’t have to be uncomfortable to make him comfortable. And I have seen ZERO evidence he was bullied by ANYONE. Lots of snowplow boy moms on this thread.

She was there for STD testing.

Typical ploy by the abuser. Your attempt to smear the victim won't work here.

Abuser?? LOL

Why is a few moments of passing discomfort for her worth the career of this promising young physician?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His bedside behavior makes me shiver. He sounds like a porn addicted creepy weirdo and a lawsuit magnet. He was obviously trying to sleep with a young female patient, who hours earlier he was asking to touch her privates, then loitered in the room to see her private under the guise of training, then used her chart to cyberstalk her.

He should have been expelled.

And what in the hell do his undergrad grades have to do with their son being an unprofessional creep?

I’d bet anything the lawsuit reveals this was not his first rodeo and his version of this event was full of falsehoods.

This is my read on the situation too. If left unchecked this could have gotten much worse over the years. She did the right thing and so did the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His bedside behavior makes me shiver. He sounds like a porn addicted creepy weirdo and a lawsuit magnet. He was obviously trying to sleep with a young female patient, who hours earlier he was asking to touch her privates, then loitered in the room to see her private under the guise of training, then used her chart to cyberstalk her.

He should have been expelled.

And what in the hell do his undergrad grades have to do with their son being an unprofessional creep?

I’d bet anything the lawsuit reveals this was not his first rodeo and his version of this event was full of falsehoods.

This is my read on the situation too. If left unchecked this could have gotten much worse over the years. She did the right thing and so did the school.

Her choices killed a physician who had dedicated his life to helping others. Hopefully she can live with herself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

Same here, and yes.

One reason I am pushing back hard on the idea that the university is somehow to blame for this is that I know from first hand experience what it's like to be held hostage under threat of suicide. Yes, suicidal people deserve support and empathy. But that doesn't mean changing society to accommodate suicidal ideation.

Say they adopt a policy that you can never send a student bad news of any kind (keep in mind the email in question was mixed -- it was relaying concern about his place in the program but also suggesting actions he could take to retain his spot, so it was not just negative but a mix of bad news and support and positive advice) after 8pm. Ok, now students are getting bad news first thing in the morning. Is that actually better? What happens when students start saying "no I can't receive this bad news about the consequences of my own actions at 8am, it makes it impossible for me to focus in class all day." What happens when a student receives bad news at 8am, uses the day to obtain the tools of suicide, and then commits suicide at 5pm?

You cannot prevent suicide by trying to prevent mentally ill people from having to deal with bad news. You have to be able to deal with bad news. It's part of life. If there are lessons to be learned from this, they might be around doing better screening and providing better support for mental health for students in highly demanding programs. Or doing a better job of training med students on how to interact with patients and in particular what behavior is off limits and could get them removed from the program.

To blame all of this on the timing of the email is crazy, it's the kind of unreasonable demand someone who is currently battling mental illness tries to issue to loved ones before getting actual treatment for their illness. It's not a serious suggestion imo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

Same here, and yes.

One reason I am pushing back hard on the idea that the university is somehow to blame for this is that I know from first hand experience what it's like to be held hostage under threat of suicide. Yes, suicidal people deserve support and empathy. But that doesn't mean changing society to accommodate suicidal ideation.

Say they adopt a policy that you can never send a student bad news of any kind (keep in mind the email in question was mixed -- it was relaying concern about his place in the program but also suggesting actions he could take to retain his spot, so it was not just negative but a mix of bad news and support and positive advice) after 8pm. Ok, now students are getting bad news first thing in the morning. Is that actually better? What happens when students start saying "no I can't receive this bad news about the consequences of my own actions at 8am, it makes it impossible for me to focus in class all day." What happens when a student receives bad news at 8am, uses the day to obtain the tools of suicide, and then commits suicide at 5pm?

You cannot prevent suicide by trying to prevent mentally ill people from having to deal with bad news. You have to be able to deal with bad news. It's part of life. If there are lessons to be learned from this, they might be around doing better screening and providing better support for mental health for students in highly demanding programs. Or doing a better job of training med students on how to interact with patients and in particular what behavior is off limits and could get them removed from the program.

To blame all of this on the timing of the email is crazy, it's the kind of unreasonable demand someone who is currently battling mental illness tries to issue to loved ones before getting actual treatment for their illness. It's not a serious suggestion imo.

Let’s see how the school pushes back hard. They will probably cave and settle and vow to do better.

This has already played out before. See Katie Meyers.