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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the worst that could happen if we made a concerted effort to minimize human pollution? Oh right, some billionaires wouldn't be able to buy another vacation house. Oh well.

Decreased funds to fill reservoirs with water.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are desperately trying to deflect from the fact that the primary cause is climate change. Not lesbian firefighters, not undefined “woke” policies - climate change.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-12/power-lines-old-embers-arson-investigators-experts-amateur-sleuth-seek-cause-of-l-a-firestorms

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

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Anonymous wrote:Quote from Pete Wilson, a Republican:
“I can’t think of a president, Republican or Democrat, that has tried to inject partisan politics into an ongoing disaster relief effort,” said Dan Schnur, who served as a communications strategist for former California GOP Gov. Pete Wilson and now teaches at USC, UC Berkeley and Pepperdine.

Trump is not president yet. Biden and Harris were simoly MIA for NC, which was worse.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

No, it's about how uninformed MAGA types are spreading the usual disinformation and deflections from Dear Leader. There is nothing constructive about screaming "DEI! Lesbian Firefighters! Black Gangs!" during a disaster that has put tens of thousands of people out of their homes. There will be time for serious discussions afterwards, but this nonsense is perfectly illustrative of how Trump and his minions will glom on to any opportunity to villify "the other".

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

No, it's about how uninformed MAGA types are spreading the usual disinformation and deflections from Dear Leader. There is nothing constructive about screaming "DEI! Lesbian Firefighters! Black Gangs!" during a disaster that has put tens of thousands of people out of their homes. There will be time for serious discussions afterwards, but this nonsense is perfectly illustrative of how Trump and his minions will glom on to any opportunity to villify "the other".

Anyone spewing out dear leader tropes or screaming maga is not worthy of listening to. It’s just drivel and unworthy of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

It's difficult to take you seriously when mainstream conservative political thought sees fit to advance comepletely bullshit theories about this.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

You are clueless. That is why it is offensive. Your narrative is all political disinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

No, it's about how uninformed MAGA types are spreading the usual disinformation and deflections from Dear Leader. There is nothing constructive about screaming "DEI! Lesbian Firefighters! Black Gangs!" during a disaster that has put tens of thousands of people out of their homes. There will be time for serious discussions afterwards, but this nonsense is perfectly illustrative of how Trump and his minions will glom on to any opportunity to villify "the other".

Anyone spewing out dear leader tropes or screaming maga is not worthy of listening to. It’s just drivel and unworthy of this thread.

Oh I'm sorry, did I interrupt? Your president-elect - the head of your party - is putting forth lies and disinformation. Deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

It's difficult to take you seriously when mainstream conservative political thought sees fit to advance comepletely bullshit theories about this.

It’s ridiculous to take you seriously when you are more interested in pointing fingers at republicans who literally have no influence in the state rather than finding out why the palisades reservoir was empty, why firefighters are saying they have no water in their hoses, why LA’s firefighter budget was slashed by $18 million, why insurance companies were prevented from projecting future losses in their premium calculations, why California had insurance companies walking away from the state altogether (they obviously understood the risk!), why Newsom cut the wildfire budget by $101 million, and on and on. Of course Americans are sympathetic to the loss of homes and life! But we need to stop these boneheaded actions because California will always have fires due to its topography and landscape.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

It's difficult to take you seriously when mainstream conservative political thought sees fit to advance comepletely bullshit theories about this.

It’s ridiculous to take you seriously when you are more interested in pointing fingers at republicans who literally have no influence in the state rather than finding out why the palisades reservoir was empty, why firefighters are saying they have no water in their hoses, why LA’s firefighter budget was slashed by $18 million, why insurance companies were prevented from projecting future losses in their premium calculations, why California had insurance companies walking away from the state altogether (they obviously understood the risk!), why Newsom cut the wildfire budget by $101 million, and on and on. Of course Americans are sympathetic to the loss of homes and life! But we need to stop these boneheaded actions because California will always have fires due to its topography and landscape.

And this is exactly the kind of half-baked bullshit I'm talking about. Prior to the minor cutback this year, Newsom had increased the CAL-FIRE budget from $2 billion when he took office to 3.8 billion in
the 24-25 budget. Personnel actually increased by approximately 6000 in the same period. Insurance companies were prevented from projecting future losses because no one would be able to buy insurance otherwise (see Florida).

Like I said, you glom on to half-truths because some convicted felon told you so.

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Not PP, but it really makes no difference what outsiders think of Ca politics. They were deep blue before this and will be deep blue after.

In addition to Newsome, Dems control both state houses by super-majorities. R’s are completely irrelevant in Ca state politics. So, let them rail on, there will be no change, ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP, but it really makes no difference what outsiders think of Ca politics. They were deep blue before this and will be deep blue after.

In addition to Newsome, Dems control both state houses by super-majorities. R’s are completely irrelevant in Ca state politics. So, let them rail on, there will be no change, ever.

No doubt (same as Dems in FL)

The situation in California, and the Trump/MAGA reaction to it, is illustrative of what we're going to see in the next four years: vilification and the possible incarceration of anyone who doesn't kiss the ring. Trump is a malignant narcissist and as such he must destroy anyone who makes hm sad.