Trans Non Binary - minority?

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants to be a straight person? So boring. How can I set myself apart as special? Oh use “they/them” as pronouns.

Stop projecting your personal narcissism onto other people. Just because that's the only reasoning YOU can personally convince does not make it reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

False.

Nobody gets more angry about transgenderism than certain “feminists”.

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Anonymous wrote:This has got to be the most self-indulgent and exhausting non-issue issue of our time.

I'm so tired of people that want to explore their identity being called narcissistic. People change their names or go by nicknames all the time, is that narcissistic?

Often times, yes.

Explore what ever identities you like.

Just don’t make others say falsehoods.

Humans can not change sex.

This constant strawmanning thrown out by the right that trans people are making the argument that they can change sex is exhausting. Nobody is claiming that. Sex ≠ gender and there's a reason it's called transGENDER and not transsex.

So when a form asks for your sex, and you need to circle one: M or F, what does a transgender person pick? It does not say gender, only sex.

You're both right and wrong. There are trans people who believe that gender/gender identity and sex are totally different, and sex is immutable. There are trans people who believe they are one and the same. And there are trans people who believe something somewhere in between.

Sex is not as objective as it seems, really. It's not just XY or XX chromosomes. We have characteristics beyond DNA that make us male or female.

If a transgender person changes their external genitalia, changes their hormone balance which changes their secondary sex characteristics (voice, body shape and composition, fat distribution, facial appearance, temperament, strength, hair growth and loss, etc) it's hard to argue that they aren't changing their sex on some level, if not changing sex entirely. There are some sex characteristics that can be changed at any time of life. There are some that can only be changed before puberty. There are some that can be changed once and never be reverted. And there are some that can never be changed at all. It's not black and white. If a trans woman has little in common with other natal males except that they have XY chromosomes, a larger heart, and a prostate gland, does it really make sense for them to be classified as M? Of course their sex history is relevant to their doctor when getting medical treatment, but that's about it.

Sex actually is chromosomes. It has to do with reproduction. An XX cannot reproduce with another XX. An XY cannot reproduce with an XY. Every single cell in your body indicates whether you are male or female, and this is 100% immutable. No "gender affirming" procedures will ever make an XY "woman" able to bear children with another XY male.

You are referring to secondary sex characteristics. These can be manipulated hormonally and/or surgically altered. But you cannot change sex.

Not yet…

It's still not the same. Trans women are women, but they are also and always will be trans women. There's nothing wrong with that. There is quite a bit wrong with assuming that means you are entitled to a free uterus transplant, or that the cocktail of anti rejection drugs you'd have to take to sustain pregnancy would be good for your unborn kid.

Id add to that it's not that great or safe to take T for years and then have a child, because the effects T has on vaginal tissue are not benign.

When you bring up XXY, or other chromosomal or intersex conditions, you're not talking about being trans. You're talking about people with medical conditions. It's not right for you to appropriate their lives to justify your own, or to deny basic silence for your own vanity.

I was talking about the future advances in genetic engineering. Two XXs (or XYs) contributing towards an embryo.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This has got to be the most self-indulgent and exhausting non-issue issue of our time.

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I'm so tired of people that want to explore their identity being called narcissistic. People change their names or go by nicknames all the time, is that narcissistic? [/quote]

Often times, yes.

Explore what ever identities you like.

Just don’t make others say falsehoods.

Humans can not change sex. [/quote]

This constant strawmanning thrown out by the right that trans people are making the argument that they can change sex is exhausting. Nobody is claiming that. Sex ≠ gender and there's a reason it's called transGENDER and not transsex. [/quote]

So when a form asks for your sex, and you need to circle one: M or F, what does a transgender person pick? It does not say gender, only sex.[/quote]

You're both right and wrong. There are trans people who believe that gender/gender identity and sex are totally different, and sex is immutable. There are trans people who believe they are one and the same. And there are trans people who believe something somewhere in between.

[b]Sex is not as objective as it seems, really. It's not just XY or XX chromosomes. [/b]We have characteristics beyond DNA that make us male or female.

If a transgender person changes their external genitalia, changes their hormone balance which changes their secondary sex characteristics (voice, body shape and composition, fat distribution, facial appearance, temperament, strength, hair growth and loss, etc) it's hard to argue that they aren't changing their sex on some level, if not changing sex entirely. There are some sex characteristics that can be changed at any time of life. There are some that can only be changed before puberty. There are some that can be changed once and never be reverted. And there are some that can never be changed at all. It's not black and white. If a trans woman has little in common with other natal males except that they have XY chromosomes, a larger heart, and a prostate gland, does it really make sense for them to be classified as M? Of course their sex history is relevant to their doctor when getting medical treatment, but that's about it. [/quote]

Sex actually is chromosomes. It has to do with reproduction. [b] An XX cannot reproduce with another XX. An XY cannot reproduce with an XY. [/b]Every single cell in your body indicates whether you are male or female, and this is 100% immutable. No "gender affirming" procedures will ever make an XY "woman" able to bear children with another XY male.

You are referring to secondary sex characteristics. These can be manipulated hormonally and/or surgically altered. But you cannot change sex.[/quote]

Not yet… [/quote]

It's still not the same. Trans women are women, but they are also and always will be trans women. There's nothing wrong with that. There is quite a bit wrong with assuming that means you are entitled to a free uterus transplant, or that the cocktail of anti rejection drugs you'd have to take to sustain pregnancy would be good for your unborn kid.

Id add to that it's not that great or safe to take T for years and then have a child, because the effects T has on vaginal tissue are not benign.

When you bring up XXY, or other chromosomal or intersex conditions, you're not talking about being trans. You're talking about people with medical conditions. It's not right for you to appropriate their lives to justify your own, or to deny basic silence for your own vanity. [/quote]

I was talking about the future advances in genetic engineering. Two XXs (or XYs) contributing towards an embryo. [/quote]

They can do that now... but you'd still have to scrape info off a large gamete to do it. Still requires a third. Look at racehorse cloning if you want to follow the science... But then also consider the level of narcissism and entitlement you'd have to have to experiment on human embryoes.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

This is rather true of you, I see. You don’t like PPs accurate assessment of your similarity to her Mormon relatives, so you are lashing out.

Fundamentalists of all religions are the same. You aren’t any different.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

This is rather true of you, I see. You don’t like PPs accurate assessment of your similarity to her Mormon relatives, so you are lashing out.

Fundamentalists of all religions are the same. You aren’t any different.

Anti-trans posters are objectively pushing Republican propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

I support trans people. I know many.

I don't support regressive misogyny that demands women look feminine, or conform to some kind of standard. You and my Morman relatives... You do.