Trans Non Binary - minority?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

Well, I don't think that a girl who isn't girly is trans or nonbinary. They just aren't girly. So if a girl sees that she isn't very feminine and someone says that means she is nonbinary, she might try on that label and identify as such for a while. But she is still a girl.

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what their gender identity is, but we know this happens. One of my children is nonbinary and I honestly could see it from the time they were extremely young. I have another child who is just "not girly" and it's very different.

You really just don't understand what they mean's. it does not mean they are non-binary, it does not mean they are trans.

You also don't understand sex vs. gender or gender identity ... you understand you kids but you dont' understand overall.

Please explain what "they" means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

Indeed, but if they don't want to be labeled then why pick another label just to label yourself. If they don't care about labels, then what does it matter what label is used?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

Well, I don't think that a girl who isn't girly is trans or nonbinary. They just aren't girly. So if a girl sees that she isn't very feminine and someone says that means she is nonbinary, she might try on that label and identify as such for a while. But she is still a girl.

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what their gender identity is, but we know this happens. One of my children is nonbinary and I honestly could see it from the time they were extremely young. I have another child who is just "not girly" and it's very different.

You really just don't understand what they mean's. it does not mean they are non-binary, it does not mean they are trans.

You also don't understand sex vs. gender or gender identity ... you understand you kids but you dont' understand overall.

Please explain what "they" means.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

Indeed, but if they don't want to be labeled then why pick another label just to label yourself. If they don't care about labels, then what does it matter what label is used?

Some do, some don’t.

Ask them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Please read the information provided nobody said being trans is the same as being a tomboy or non-binary.

It’s all very different.

Y’all would never pass the SATs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Now You have to say that you are “100% cisgender”

[Anonymous]

Just call everyone folks , no need to identify anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

Well, I don't think that a girl who isn't girly is trans or nonbinary. They just aren't girly. So if a girl sees that she isn't very feminine and someone says that means she is nonbinary, she might try on that label and identify as such for a while. But she is still a girl.

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what their gender identity is, but we know this happens. One of my children is nonbinary and I honestly could see it from the time they were extremely young. I have another child who is just "not girly" and it's very different.

You really just don't understand what they mean's. it does not mean they are non-binary, it does not mean they are trans.

You also don't understand sex vs. gender or gender identity ... you understand you kids but you dont' understand overall.

Please explain what "they" means.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

The word "they" does not actually appear on the page that you linked to. Above you say that "they" does not equate to nonbinary or trans. Instead of providing a link, can you just explain what "they" means?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just call everyone folks , no need to identify anything

But will that get me a passing grade on the SAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

Some are not born with clear sex and are assigned. this is a term used for decades, it's only recently that snowflakes take offense to the term.

It's just vocabulary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

What are you talking about? I was a tomboy and/or a "non-girly" girl when I was growing up. I was not and have never been anything other than a cis-gender, heterosexual woman.

Again, you don't understand sex vs. gender vs gender identity vs gender expression.

It's okay, it's just vocabulary that you don't understand.

DP. Actually, I think you don't understand. Whoever made that tomboy assertion (you or another PP) painted in broad strokes. It was inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Please read the information provided nobody said being trans is the same as being a tomboy or non-binary.

It’s all very different.

Y’all would never pass the SATs

Looks like you're arguing with everyone. They are not the problem here. Your statement was poorly written and implied generalizations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Please read the information provided nobody said being trans is the same as being a tomboy or non-binary.

It’s all very different.

Y’all would never pass the SATs

You are very confident, but the truth is that the language is still in flux. What I say as a queer adult is going to be different than what a current high schooler or college student might say, just because we are in a period of rapid change.

As someone old enough to remember when "transgender" and "transsexual" were both still in use, I am going to cut a little bit of grace to folks who are genuinely trying to understand how the language (and the concept) is shifting.

To answer OP, some people use trans to mean basically every kind of gender non-conforming, including nonbinary and genderqueer. That's how the youth use it, generally, and then they would typically clarify within that umbrella to make it clear that they mean binary trans, nonbinary trans, or something else.

That's different than how the term is used in broader society, where nonbinary and trans are in different buckets.