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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

Apologies for my bad typing. Carpal tunnel hand brace is mucking me up.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

I support trans people. I know many.

I don't support regressive misogyny that demands women look feminine, or conform to some kind of standard. You and my Morman relatives... You do.

Who are you to tell me what I think? You don't know anything about me or what I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

You’re pushing Republican propaganda.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/11/21/gop-bill-targets-personal-pronouns-at-florida-government-workplaces/

https://azmirror.com/briefs/senate-republicans-agree-to-ban-books-with-gender-fluidity-pronouns/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

I support trans people. I know many.

I don't support regressive misogyny that demands women look feminine, or conform to some kind of standard. You and my Morman relatives... You do.

That isn’t what is happening. Quite the opposite. We have thrown “standards” out the windows.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

Exactly. PP is either ignorant or lying.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who usually introduces himself as they/he or he/they, by which they mean you can use either. They identify as male. They're not trans or nonbinary. They just doesn't think that gender is useful information, and relevant to most conversation and so they default to the neutral because they think if the neutral they was used more often it would be better. I could absolutely see them becoming a college tour guide one day and introducing themselves as "they" as a way to signal to people that it's a safe space.

On the other hand, his best friend also uses he/they, and is definitely trans.

“They just doesn’t think.”

Face plant.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

You’re pushing Republican propaganda.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/11/21/gop-bill-targets-personal-pronouns-at-florida-government-workplaces/

https://azmirror.com/briefs/senate-republicans-agree-to-ban-books-with-gender-fluidity-pronouns/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill

I’m a lifelong registered Democrat but that doesn’t mean I refuse to criticize Democrats when they promote harmful positions. Gender ideology is profoundly misogynist and overtly harmful. It is okay to criticize Democrats for pushing harmful positions. Lord knows the Democrats have pushed other harmful positions, as have the Republicans.

I understand you can’t handle criticisms of your faith, just like fundamentalist Christians or Muslims can’t handle criticisms of their faith, but that doesn’t mean you get to demand the rest of us turn off our brains.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

You’re pushing Republican propaganda.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/11/21/gop-bill-targets-personal-pronouns-at-florida-government-workplaces/

https://azmirror.com/briefs/senate-republicans-agree-to-ban-books-with-gender-fluidity-pronouns/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill

I’m a lifelong registered Democrat but that doesn’t mean I refuse to criticize Democrats when they promote harmful positions. Gender ideology is profoundly misogynist and overtly harmful. It is okay to criticize Democrats for pushing harmful positions. Lord knows the Democrats have pushed other harmful positions, as have the Republicans.

I understand you can’t handle criticisms of your faith, just like fundamentalist Christians or Muslims can’t handle criticisms of their faith, but that doesn’t mean you get to demand the rest of us turn off our brains.

You're totally off point. It's not that we can't handle criticism of our beliefs, it's that you're making stuff up and then taking us telling you "that's not true" as not being able to handle criticism. It's like if you told a Christian that they believed Jesus was a monkey and that was ridiculous and then mocked them for not being able to handle criticism when they told you that wasn't true.

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Trump's gonna win.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

I support trans people. I know many.

I don't support regressive misogyny that demands women look feminine, or conform to some kind of standard. You and my Morman relatives... You do.

That isn’t what is happening. Quite the opposite. We have thrown “standards” out the windows.

No you haven't. You're more like gay men in the 80s wearing the right color bandanna to signal to other members of the tribe what you want. And that's fine. None of us have an issue with that.

I actually agree with you about th

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

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Agree with you that they is a good neutral pronoun. My kid used it like that all the time, for when gender isn't supposed to matter.

That didn't mean *she* isn't a lesbian, or wants to be trans masculine, or wants people to think *her* having short hair and not wearing make up means anything at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

What is your "internal self?" If that's all gender is, why do you spend so much time medicalizing it?

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

What is your "internal self?" If that's all gender is, why do you spend so much time medicalizing it?

Because people like their external appearance to match their internal sense of self. A trans woman who receives hormones isn't saying "all woman look like this" they're saying that this is how they want to present.