Trans Non Binary - minority?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

Some are not born with clear sex and are assigned. this is a term used for decades, it's only recently that snowflakes take offense to the term.

It's just vocabulary.

There is a lot of irony in your words, considering how easily offended many are by someone using the "wrong" pronouns or committing some other slight of "just vocabulary".

Some are born with no clear sex, sure. It's 0.02%–0.05% of the population. That's pretty rare, rare enough that using the term assigning sex at birth for the remaining 99.8% of people is rather silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Please read the information provided nobody said being trans is the same as being a tomboy or non-binary.

It’s all very different.

Y’all would never pass the SATs

Looks like you're arguing with everyone. They are not the problem here. Your statement was poorly written and implied generalizations.

Okay Jan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

Some are not born with clear sex and are assigned. this is a term used for decades, it's only recently that snowflakes take offense to the term.

It's just vocabulary.

There is a lot of irony in your words, considering how easily offended many are by someone using the "wrong" pronouns or committing some other slight of "just vocabulary".

Some are born with no clear sex, sure. It's 0.02%–0.05% of the population. That's pretty rare, rare enough that using the term assigning sex at birth for the remaining 99.8% of people is rather silly.

Yet doctors have used assigned sex at birth for eons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

But a tomboy isn't a they, she's a girl.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

Some are not born with clear sex and are assigned. this is a term used for decades, it's only recently that snowflakes take offense to the term.

It's just vocabulary.

There is a lot of irony in your words, considering how easily offended many are by someone using the "wrong" pronouns or committing some other slight of "just vocabulary".

Some are born with no clear sex, sure. It's 0.02%–0.05% of the population. That's pretty rare, rare enough that using the term assigning sex at birth for the remaining 99.8% of people is rather silly.

DP. Have you actually encountered this offended reaction? I haven’t. I teach teens and am in my 50s. I screw up a lot. I tell the kids I am working on it but will make mistakes, and I hope they will see me good intentions, and I will see there’s when the correct me. They are great. Of course at Pride Prom there was one difficult kid, but who knows what that kid is dealing with. Lots of kids have chips on their shoulders.

But, have you also considered the spectrum of "sexual behavior, thoughts, and feelings towards the same or opposite sex?" (Kinsey) It is really interesting.
https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

Oh - this is helpful.

Sex: separate from gender, this term refers to the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body.
Gender: social, cultural and psychological traits linked to males and females that define them as masculine or feminine.
Gender Identity: refers to a person’s internal, deeply felt sense of being a man or woman, or something other or in between, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth.
Gender Expression: how an individual presents their gender outwardly to others through mannerisms and appearance.

Sexual Orientation: refers to the spectrum of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

I have always found this annoying. Nobody is assigning you a sex at birth, you are born with the cluster of biological, chromosomal and anatomical features associated with maleness and femaleness in the human body. You are assigned a gender at birth, sure.

Some are not born with clear sex and are assigned. this is a term used for decades, it's only recently that snowflakes take offense to the term.

It's just vocabulary.

Very few people are born with ambiguous genitalia. With very few exceptions, sex is observed at birth. That terminology was swiped from the DSD community to obfuscate the immutable nature of sex at birth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

I was a tomboy as a kid; I am 100% heterosexual. That term is not the same as a trans.

Please read the information provided nobody said being trans is the same as being a tomboy or non-binary.

It’s all very different.

Y’all would never pass the SATs

Looks like you're arguing with everyone. They are not the problem here. Your statement was poorly written and implied generalizations.

Okay Jan

Nice try to spin that. You must be talking to the mirror. Are you also still wearing the wig?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

Well, I don't think that a girl who isn't girly is trans or nonbinary. They just aren't girly. So if a girl sees that she isn't very feminine and someone says that means she is nonbinary, she might try on that label and identify as such for a while. But she is still a girl.

I wouldn't dream of telling someone what their gender identity is, but we know this happens. One of my children is nonbinary and I honestly could see it from the time they were extremely young. I have another child who is just "not girly" and it's very different.

You really just don't understand what they mean's. it does not mean they are non-binary, it does not mean they are trans.

You also don't understand sex vs. gender or gender identity ... you understand you kids but you dont' understand overall.

Please explain what "they" means.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq

The word "they" does not actually appear on the page that you linked to. Above you say that "they" does not equate to nonbinary or trans. Instead of providing a link, can you just explain what "they" means?

+2 If they isn’t non-binary, what is it? The link doesn’t explain? Cisgender, heterosexual people are now using they as a pronoun?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

Have you ever met a young adult? Or been a young adult? This is how it has always been! My generation had about 6 different subsets of "goth" and the divisions were rigorously guarded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

We had labels - very strict labels. Today they are much more flexible.

No one is hurting you with their own self identify/expression. Chill TF down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

FALSE.

No, that’s very different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

We had labels - very strict labels. Today they are much more flexible.

No one is hurting you with their own self identify/expression. Chill TF down.

Having multiple labels is by definition much more rigid and strict. Having 2 broad labels was much more flexible indicating a spectrum. Now people who think they don't fit on the spectrum need a much more narrow, strict definition. You have this completely backwards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

We had labels - very strict labels. Today they are much more flexible.

No one is hurting you with their own self identify/expression. Chill TF down.

Having multiple labels is by definition much more rigid and strict. Having 2 broad labels was much more flexible indicating a spectrum. Now people who think they don't fit on the spectrum need a much more narrow, strict definition. You have this completely backwards.

Only a cishet person would think there were every "two broad labels" when it comes to gender identity and gender presentation. There's a whole culture you don't know about, because it was outside your view.

The difference is that those discussions and definitions are now out in the open, as they should be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I accept everyone and want people to be whomever they feel, believe, etc are. But at a training course, I was told that about 1-3% of the population is trans/non binary. We’ve been on tours at Brown, Tulane, William and Mary, Northeastern, Wake, and GW in the last 2.5 months and there has been at least one tour guide everytime said “they them”
for pronouns.

Was the presenter at my course wrong? I didn’t mishear it because we got a handout. Maybe the general nonbinary population is low but it’s higher for college students?

they/them is not the same as trans non-binary.

then what's the difference?

Too many labels for people who don't want to be labeled.

I posted a link to explain it.

I agree the English language and science has lots of words.

DP: You are being too cute by half. The point PP was making is why does this generation need to put everyone in little boxes with labels? Why does they feel this is necessary or useful? What's wrong with the free to be you and me generation with no labels?

We had labels - very strict labels. Today they are much more flexible.

No one is hurting you with their own self identify/expression. Chill TF down.

Having multiple labels is by definition much more rigid and strict. Having 2 broad labels was much more flexible indicating a spectrum. Now people who think they don't fit on the spectrum need a much more narrow, strict definition. You have this completely backwards.

More to the point, the only thing labeled was sex assigned at birth. The rest was just, be yourself!