Trans Non Binary - minority?

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

I love you and believe we were separated at birth. Everything you said is true.
The whole trans thing has every marker of a religion:
Heretics/nonbelievers - normies
Blasphemy - dead naming/ wrong pronouns
Dogma that cannot be questioned
Patriarchy - this is 100% male lead with females as it ardent followers and enforcers
Mystical beliefs

It is all there.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

Exactly. PP is either ignorant or lying.

Precisely. Gender identity is made up nonsense. It means nothing, and, whatever anyone’s feelings tell them about “gender” aka sex stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

What is your "internal self?" If that's all gender is, why do you spend so much time medicalizing it?

Because people like their external appearance to match their internal sense of self. A trans woman who receives hormones isn't saying "all woman look like this" they're saying that this is how they want to present.

Sounds like “internal self” = secondary sexual characteristics + sexual stereotypes

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

What is your "internal self?" If that's all gender is, why do you spend so much time medicalizing it?

Because people like their external appearance to match their internal sense of self. A trans woman who receives hormones isn't saying "all woman look like this" they're saying that this is how they want to present.

Sounds like “internal self” = secondary sexual characteristics + sexual stereotypes

You should probably stock up on Qtips!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

I love you and believe we were separated at birth. Everything you said is true.
The whole trans thing has every marker of a religion:
Heretics/nonbelievers - normies
Blasphemy - dead naming/ wrong pronouns
Dogma that cannot be questioned
Patriarchy - this is 100% male lead with females as it ardent followers and enforcers
Mystical beliefs

It is all there.

This is hilariously delusional.

MEN are the ones who are by in large against trans people.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

I love you and believe we were separated at birth. Everything you said is true.
The whole trans thing has every marker of a religion:
Heretics/nonbelievers - normies
Blasphemy - dead naming/ wrong pronouns
Dogma that cannot be questioned
Patriarchy - this is 100% male lead with females as it ardent followers and enforcers
Mystical beliefs

It is all there.

Don’t forget shaming and excommunication of exiles aka the detrans community.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

I love you and believe we were separated at birth. Everything you said is true.
The whole trans thing has every marker of a religion:
Heretics/nonbelievers - normies
Blasphemy - dead naming/ wrong pronouns
Dogma that cannot be questioned
Patriarchy - this is 100% male lead with females as it ardent followers and enforcers
Mystical beliefs

It is all there.

This is hilariously delusional.

MEN are the ones who are by in large against trans people.

Can’t be, I was told these people are all TERFs

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

You’re pushing Republican propaganda.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/11/21/gop-bill-targets-personal-pronouns-at-florida-government-workplaces/

https://azmirror.com/briefs/senate-republicans-agree-to-ban-books-with-gender-fluidity-pronouns/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill

I’m a lifelong registered Democrat but that doesn’t mean I refuse to criticize Democrats when they promote harmful positions. Gender ideology is profoundly misogynist and overtly harmful. It is okay to criticize Democrats for pushing harmful positions. Lord knows the Democrats have pushed other harmful positions, as have the Republicans.

I understand you can’t handle criticisms of your faith, just like fundamentalist Christians or Muslims can’t handle criticisms of their faith, but that doesn’t mean you get to demand the rest of us turn off our brains.

You're totally off point. It's not that we can't handle criticism of our beliefs, it's that you're making stuff up and then taking us telling you "that's not true" as not being able to handle criticism. It's like if you told a Christian that they believed Jesus was a monkey and that was ridiculous and then mocked them for not being able to handle criticism when they told you that wasn't true.

I only began sharing my opinions because I was tired of you explaining what I thought to me, then calling me a Republican for daring to agree with the poster who said you're religious.

You're like a Christian who believes that jesus's second album was the best one and he totally sold out after that and you are just telling us how wrong we are for liking his later albums so you can look cool in front of your friends.

I'm going to tell you what I assume about your personality based on my metaphor because you seem too thick to get it.

Gender, pronouns, etc, it's your indie rock. Sadly, the party line positions that you embrace without question include some messed up stuff: suspending puberty is really bad for teens. So are mastectomies. Gender confirming surgery and medicine can do a lot--like it's amazing how much it can do? But it's dangerously unregulated, and some of the lax gatekeeping is causing tragic results.

That's not me being a Republican. That's mean expressing concern about how medicalizing puberty attaches a lot of harm to the process, harm, btw, that falls disproportionately on children who don't conform to their natal gender.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

Hit dog will holler. Or wildly throw out strawmen and baseless accusations.

Nice job pushing Republican propaganda.

I'm not. But you referring to women as "hit dogs" does track.

Theres a few DC based trans women on Twitter (notable for their fast transitions and unhappy former marriages.) they particular brands of misogyny and I always wonder when you post here.

You’re pushing Republican propaganda.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/11/21/gop-bill-targets-personal-pronouns-at-florida-government-workplaces/

https://azmirror.com/briefs/senate-republicans-agree-to-ban-books-with-gender-fluidity-pronouns/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyjbq/north-dakota-pronoun-republican-anti-trans-bill

I’m a lifelong registered Democrat but that doesn’t mean I refuse to criticize Democrats when they promote harmful positions. Gender ideology is profoundly misogynist and overtly harmful. It is okay to criticize Democrats for pushing harmful positions. Lord knows the Democrats have pushed other harmful positions, as have the Republicans.

I understand you can’t handle criticisms of your faith, just like fundamentalist Christians or Muslims can’t handle criticisms of their faith, but that doesn’t mean you get to demand the rest of us turn off our brains.

You're totally off point. It's not that we can't handle criticism of our beliefs, it's that you're making stuff up and then taking us telling you "that's not true" as not being able to handle criticism. It's like if you told a Christian that they believed Jesus was a monkey and that was ridiculous and then mocked them for not being able to handle criticism when they told you that wasn't true.

I only began sharing my opinions because I was tired of you explaining what I thought to me, then calling me a Republican for daring to agree with the poster who said you're religious.

You're like a Christian who believes that jesus's second album was the best one and he totally sold out after that and you are just telling us how wrong we are for liking his later albums so you can look cool in front of your friends.

I'm going to tell you what I assume about your personality based on my metaphor because you seem too thick to get it.

Gender, pronouns, etc, it's your indie rock. Sadly, the party line positions that you embrace without question include some messed up stuff: suspending puberty is really bad for teens. So are mastectomies. Gender confirming surgery and medicine can do a lot--like it's amazing how much it can do? But it's dangerously unregulated, and some of the lax gatekeeping is causing tragic results.

That's not me being a Republican. That's mean expressing concern about how medicalizing puberty attaches a lot of harm to the process, harm, btw, that falls disproportionately on children who don't conform to their natal gender.

You've mixed me up with someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't go by the stats of one random person who did a training course. Look at where He (she/they) got there data.

Here is one article about the numbers. For the general population, estimates are currently over 1%. Unsurprisingly, the number is higher among the youths. This is probably due to both the "trendiness" of gender identity exploration and that it's more acceptable, the same way the numbers of people identifying as left-handed and gay went up as left-handedness and homosexuality became more acceptable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/

It’s not “trendy” we just used different language.

We said tom boy, or she’s not girly.

What are you talking about? I was a tomboy and/or a "non-girly" girl when I was growing up. I was not and have never been anything other than a cis-gender, heterosexual woman.

Again, you don't understand sex vs. gender vs gender identity vs gender expression.

It's okay, it's just vocabulary that you don't understand.

And you don’t understand that most of us are too busy to care about what every person thinks his sex, gender, gender identity, gender expression, astrological sign, & favorite color is.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

I love you and believe we were separated at birth. Everything you said is true.
The whole trans thing has every marker of a religion:
Heretics/nonbelievers - normies
Blasphemy - dead naming/ wrong pronouns
Dogma that cannot be questioned
Patriarchy - this is 100% male lead with females as it ardent followers and enforcers
Mystical beliefs

It is all there.

Don’t forget shaming and excommunication of exiles aka the detrans community.

I'm glad you brought this up because I've wanted to speak on this for a while. Trans people do not have an issue with de-transitoners. The problem they have is when de-transitioners hold the belief that, because they were wrong about being trans, that everyone else is too.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

That may have been true 3-5 years ago, but the trans community has taken it too far and starting removing the rights of women with their instance of pushing aside the same women that fought for them. I highly doubt this is case now.

You are losing allies left and right and for good reason, it is hateful movement that is very misogynistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

You make it so easy for them when you insist that five year olds care whar gender they are and show us by if they play with trucks.

You make it so easy for them when your activists stalk and harass and bully women, which they do quite a bit whenever a woman speaks up about wanting fair competition in sports, or women only spaces in prisons or domestic violence shelters. You make it easy for women to reject you when you chant slogans that would make Mao proud like they're holy writ, and insist on centering yourself in every conversation about anyone's identity.

I'm fairly sure, bless your heart, that you were radicalized by bots yourself sometime in our century's teens and you've never bothered to develop enough critical thinking skills to realize this. I don't debate things with you people anymore: I treat you like I treat my Mormon relatives. Honestly, you all have a lot in common, starting with your regressice, sexist gender roles.

And you just absolutely wrecked any argument you had whatsoever with this line. Gender identity does not require gender roles and is explicitly against them. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are probably just on here to instigate.

If "gender identity" is against "gender roles," maybe you could explain to us which roles you think are gendered and why? Is the answer none of them for you? So why take cross sex hormones? Why change your pronouns? Why make the effort to alter anything about yourself at all?

Then answer me this: how much of your identity is defined by a fear of being seen as overly masculine or feminine? Or from wanting to conform to masculine or feminine sereotypes? It seems to me that for someone who is supposedly progressive, you jaa e extremely narrow opinions.

Gender identity isn't about being able to take part in different roles. It's not a costume people wear to open up opportunities. It's a reflection of internal self. Someone doesn't know they're a woman because they like to cook or because they want to be a flight attendant or wear makeup in public - that's an asinine suggestion.

What is your "internal self?" If that's all gender is, why do you spend so much time medicalizing it?

Because people like their external appearance to match their internal sense of self. A trans woman who receives hormones isn't saying "all woman look like this" they're saying that this is how they want to present.

Except they're not just saying that. If they were I wouldn't give an eff. Out of the (at least) three people disagreeing with you. I'm the moderate, I think. I think trans women are women. I think their genitals are none of my business. I don't care if I share bathrooms, or if my kid has a trans roommate. Live your life, at the end of the day that's all we all want.

But that tolerance comes with some caveats. I don't think the way gender ideology is explained to kids is healthy. I don't think we should do things like eliminate the term "woman" from women's medicine because it might hurt someone's feelings if they have or don't have a uterus. I don't think we should let violent offenders have roommates they can victimize in prison. I don't think we should discard the thousands of years of history where women--half the population--were raped and murdered, relegated to domestic spheres, and generally treated as sub-citizens because that history doesn't include you, or you find your own more important, or being called a woman hurts your fee-fees.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

The only people that have made it into something misogynistic are the ones who are against it. You've been successfully propagandized by people who hate women just as much as they hate trans people.

Sorry, no. I don’t buy your misogynist gaslighting any more.

We can all see how women who have been literally killed and tortured for centuries based on their biology are being treated under the gender ideology faith and we can reject that belief system for the deeply misogynistic religion that it is. I won’t be gaslit by entitled men of any religious stripe. Not you, not conservative Christian preachers, not Shia mullahs.

Most women support trans people. The most outspoken group against trans people are conservative men who are absolutely not at all in favor of women. And a big chunk of the women who don't support trans people also don't support any woman who isn't traditionally feminine.

You're the one who's gaslighting.

That may have been true 3-5 years ago, but the trans community has taken it too far and starting removing the rights of women with their instance of pushing aside the same women that fought for them. I highly doubt this is case now.

You are losing allies left and right and for good reason, it is hateful movement that is very misogynistic.

Agreed. Women imagine a trans woman as a male who has been castrated and is sexually attracted to men.

When they realize that 95%+ of trans women are fully intact males who are also likely to be sexually attracted to women, they start to question things, like why is this person demanding access to females locker rooms and prisons.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets more angry about pronouns than Gen x/boomer women who were bullied for not being feminine enough when they were little girls.

That’s not me. I just simply do not accept the religious component of pronoun demands. I do not believe people have mutable gender identities, any more than I believe people have souls that needs saving. Gender ideology is a religious belief akin to a belief in a soul. I am an atheist and don’t believe in either.

There's not a "religious component", you've just made that up in your head to justify refusing to learn anything different and be respectful towards others. And that's ok, some people just aren't able to ever mentally understand concepts they don't personally experience, but don't act like you're above other people or on some moral high ground.

Oh, I know I’m on the high ground. I don’t accept deeply misogynist belief structures. That includes gender ideology as well as most religions. You are free to embrace misogynist belief structures as your faith — many people do — but you cannot demand adherence from non-believers. Gender ideology is just repackaged ancient misogyny, a new version of misogynist belief systems that is growing as organized religions lose some of their historic influence.

I don’t have a soul that needs saving and I don’t have a gender identity that needs public fealty and I don’t have an afterlife when I die, particularly when all of those are rooted in belief systems designed to oppress women. You will have to deal with that as much as conservative Christians will have to deal with my lack of a Christian soul. Your distress at my lack of faith in your belief system is not my problem.

Mic drop. (Following along and chiming in to say you. are. awesome.)