Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get it - I think Dems should be angry about this topic in raising insurance prices. The Republicans suck. They are evil. They should be stopped from raising ACA min. I'm not sure who does not agree with this except anyone who isn't affected?

But in the context of battle - what will you win and what will you lose over this, you have to think hard and deep. It cannot just be - hey - this sucks - let's go fight! In every battle, there must be a....strategy. What are your options in how best to win this battle?

The Dems seem to never have a strategy, beyond, we won't cave! And everytime, the Dems cave. Maybe this time it goes on for longer but essentially, they operate the same way. every. time.

A govt shutdown is not a strategy. It's a bargaining chip to leverage their position but it's not a strategy.

the health care costs brings attention to all of the negative elements of the BBB that the GOP passed unilaterally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what were people paying for healchare before COVID? I don't think this makes sense. Why would a temporary subsidy make healthcare affordable, while the original ACA (AFFORDABLE care act) wasn't affordable? It doesn't make sense. It sounds like a handout to get people on government reliance.

I guess they plan to just keep increasing the subsidy every year for eternity? Honestly, why they are fighting over this now is a little baffling. The temporary subsidy has to end some day. If you're going to fight, at least fight for some sort of permanent restructuring.

the fix is to pass universal healthcare, which is the way the rest of the world does it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what were people paying for healchare before COVID? I don't think this makes sense. Why would a temporary subsidy make healthcare affordable, while the original ACA (AFFORDABLE care act) wasn't affordable? It doesn't make sense. It sounds like a handout to get people on government reliance.

I guess they plan to just keep increasing the subsidy every year for eternity? Honestly, why they are fighting over this now is a little baffling. The temporary subsidy has to end some day. If you're going to fight, at least fight for some sort of permanent restructuring.

the fix is to pass universal healthcare, which is the way the rest of the world does it.

ok thats not going to happen but what does that have to do with the govt shutdown

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

So as the Tweet says, for this particular person/plan, the cost is going from $51 to $2,232.

That's a $2,181 increase in cost. WHO subsidized that $2,181 previously?

Answer: It was coming out of the income tax payer's hide.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, the legislative branch continues to be paid to celebrate a dog’s birthday.

And Trump is hosting lavish dinners for the rich.

Let them eat cake!



https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ritzy-dinners-dogs-birthday-party-090000772.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ4YMYBaQeaO1FS98hz73jxEdp5RRz-JOSJJOulmAC2rG4raBm_5H3vftYwZrKb2fjYfzimKSL6CTeIPXLVXqZFGxcx88e-GCheg5ka-W2EBr-vzuHOzqOZ3cwy71yfkLELTUhSto6lVVVL8i8Y6cqVDXa4tr9_e1Zapdtcqaiv3

And so it has been for the power brokers in Washington during a government shutdown that appears to have no end in sight. While thousands of federal workers are furloughed — or fired — and trying to stay afloat without paychecks, the ones responsible for the shutdown are literally, and figuratively, eating cake

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the legislative branch continues to be paid to celebrate a dog’s birthday.

And Trump is hosting lavish dinners for the rich.

Let them eat cake!



https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ritzy-dinners-dogs-birthday-party-090000772.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ4YMYBaQeaO1FS98hz73jxEdp5RRz-JOSJJOulmAC2rG4raBm_5H3vftYwZrKb2fjYfzimKSL6CTeIPXLVXqZFGxcx88e-GCheg5ka-W2EBr-vzuHOzqOZ3cwy71yfkLELTUhSto6lVVVL8i8Y6cqVDXa4tr9_e1Zapdtcqaiv3

And so it has been for the power brokers in Washington during a government shutdown that appears to have no end in sight. While thousands of federal workers are furloughed — or fired — and trying to stay afloat without paychecks, the ones responsible for the shutdown are literally, and figuratively, eating cake

A vote on the CR in the Senate was held today. Democrats voted against it.

Why should this be a blip on Trump's life. The CR has been produced - it's on democrats to make the next move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the legislative branch continues to be paid to celebrate a dog’s birthday.

And Trump is hosting lavish dinners for the rich.

Let them eat cake!



https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ritzy-dinners-dogs-birthday-party-090000772.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ4YMYBaQeaO1FS98hz73jxEdp5RRz-JOSJJOulmAC2rG4raBm_5H3vftYwZrKb2fjYfzimKSL6CTeIPXLVXqZFGxcx88e-GCheg5ka-W2EBr-vzuHOzqOZ3cwy71yfkLELTUhSto6lVVVL8i8Y6cqVDXa4tr9_e1Zapdtcqaiv3

And so it has been for the power brokers in Washington during a government shutdown that appears to have no end in sight. While thousands of federal workers are furloughed — or fired — and trying to stay afloat without paychecks, the ones responsible for the shutdown are literally, and figuratively, eating cake

not correct. CONGRESS is being paid. The legislative branch consist of more than just Congress--thousands more employees than Congress members. I work for CRS we are furloughed. CBO, GAO, Architect of the Capitol are all shutdown and not being paid. Also, congressional staff are not being paid--just the members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

So as the Tweet says, for this particular person/plan, the cost is going from $51 to $2,232.

That's a $2,181 increase in cost. WHO subsidized that $2,181 previously?

Answer: It was coming out of the income tax payer's hide.

Now those taxpayers are funding tax cuts for billionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the legislative branch continues to be paid to celebrate a dog’s birthday.

And Trump is hosting lavish dinners for the rich.

Let them eat cake!



https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ritzy-dinners-dogs-birthday-party-090000772.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ4YMYBaQeaO1FS98hz73jxEdp5RRz-JOSJJOulmAC2rG4raBm_5H3vftYwZrKb2fjYfzimKSL6CTeIPXLVXqZFGxcx88e-GCheg5ka-W2EBr-vzuHOzqOZ3cwy71yfkLELTUhSto6lVVVL8i8Y6cqVDXa4tr9_e1Zapdtcqaiv3

And so it has been for the power brokers in Washington during a government shutdown that appears to have no end in sight. While thousands of federal workers are furloughed — or fired — and trying to stay afloat without paychecks, the ones responsible for the shutdown are literally, and figuratively, eating cake

A vote on the CR in the Senate was held today. Democrats voted against it.

Why should this be a blip on Trump's life. The CR has been produced - it's on democrats to make the next move.

You are asking the democrats to take responsibility for the BBB, which they had zero hand in crafting, so no, the democrats do not need to make the next move. And every time Trump makes more unilateral decisions, the American public sees the acquiesence of the Congress and the further consolidation of "kings" power to Trump, all while costs are going up and the economy is falling apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

So as the Tweet says, for this particular person/plan, the cost is going from $51 to $2,232.

That's a $2,181 increase in cost. WHO subsidized that $2,181 previously?

Answer: It was coming out of the income tax payer's hide.

Now those taxpayers are funding tax cuts for billionaires.

The problem you have is you come at it from the angle that it was the government's money to begin with. It never was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the legislative branch continues to be paid to celebrate a dog’s birthday.

And Trump is hosting lavish dinners for the rich.

Let them eat cake!



https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ritzy-dinners-dogs-birthday-party-090000772.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ4YMYBaQeaO1FS98hz73jxEdp5RRz-JOSJJOulmAC2rG4raBm_5H3vftYwZrKb2fjYfzimKSL6CTeIPXLVXqZFGxcx88e-GCheg5ka-W2EBr-vzuHOzqOZ3cwy71yfkLELTUhSto6lVVVL8i8Y6cqVDXa4tr9_e1Zapdtcqaiv3

And so it has been for the power brokers in Washington during a government shutdown that appears to have no end in sight. While thousands of federal workers are furloughed — or fired — and trying to stay afloat without paychecks, the ones responsible for the shutdown are literally, and figuratively, eating cake

A vote on the CR in the Senate was held today. Democrats voted against it.

Why should this be a blip on Trump's life. The CR has been produced - it's on democrats to make the next move.

You are asking the democrats to take responsibility for the BBB, which they had zero hand in crafting, so no, the democrats do not need to make the next move. And every time Trump makes more unilateral decisions, the American public sees the acquiesence of the Congress and the further consolidation of "kings" power to Trump, all while costs are going up and the economy is falling apart.

The BBB was passed by the House and Senate as a budget.

A CR is a Continuing Resolution. You continue along without major changes. You aren't lumping $1.5 Trillion of spending into a CR.

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

So as the Tweet says, for this particular person/plan, the cost is going from $51 to $2,232.

That's a $2,181 increase in cost. WHO subsidized that $2,181 previously?

Answer: It was coming out of the income tax payer's hide.

Now those taxpayers are funding tax cuts for billionaires.

And all taxpayers costs for healthcare will go up because when this person drops his coverage, he will hit the ER for every health issue he has, including many that could have been resolved much more cheaply with decent preventative care. It's not a zero sum game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

So as the Tweet says, for this particular person/plan, the cost is going from $51 to $2,232.

That's a $2,181 increase in cost. WHO subsidized that $2,181 previously?

Answer: It was coming out of the income tax payer's hide.

Now those taxpayers are funding tax cuts for billionaires.

And all taxpayers costs for healthcare will go up because when this person drops his coverage, he will hit the ER for every health issue he has, including many that could have been resolved much more cheaply with decent preventative care. It's not a zero sum game.

no, you tell them to go work they are well below retirement. if not they can qualify for disability if they are too disabled to work and get disable person health insurance

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Anonymous wrote:I get it - I think Dems should be angry about this topic in raising insurance prices. The Republicans suck. They are evil. They should be stopped from raising ACA min. I'm not sure who does not agree with this except anyone who isn't affected?

But in the context of battle - what will you win and what will you lose over this, you have to think hard and deep. It cannot just be - hey - this sucks - let's go fight! In every battle, there must be a....strategy. What are your options in how best to win this battle?

The Dems seem to never have a strategy, beyond, we won't cave! And everytime, the Dems cave. Maybe this time it goes on for longer but essentially, they operate the same way. every. time.

A govt shutdown is not a strategy. It's a bargaining chip to leverage their position but it's not a strategy.

You didn't notice the times they compromised like adults, then? Because Schumer is still smarting from that last time he kept the government open with the Republicans.

The truth is that we have reached the point where Democrats now have nothing to lose. Zip. They can keep it shut down forever. At the end, it will be on Trump and his horde of monsters.

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Anonymous wrote:So what were people paying for healchare before COVID? I don't think this makes sense. Why would a temporary subsidy make healthcare affordable, while the original ACA (AFFORDABLE care act) wasn't affordable? It doesn't make sense. It sounds like a handout to get people on government reliance.

I guess they plan to just keep increasing the subsidy every year for eternity? Honestly, why they are fighting over this now is a little baffling. The temporary subsidy has to end some day. If you're going to fight, at least fight for some sort of permanent restructuring.

Exactly. As a Democrat j find this whole debacle a sham. The Rep suck and the Dem suck right along with them. Not in the same ways but in the same capacity it. Nobody is helping people. It's just a political show with them enjoying the sounds of their voices. The Rep make me want to leave and the Dems make me want to barf - ugh!

I said the same two pages back. It is disgusting.