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 This is not on dems. Why should they help? FU for both siding this sh--show. | 
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 And you know this and are going to prove it to the rest of us how, exactly? Or is this just more delusional, zero-track-record MAGA "trust the plan" hubris? | 
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 DP. Every time the CR ends, everyone is predicting 100% chance of a shutdown, and it hasn’t happened since 2018. | 
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 Right. They always come up with a deal at the last second. Always. | 
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 When Democrats were in some semblance of control, shutdowns didn't happen. Not the case with Republicans. Shutdowns have already happened twice on Trump's watch, including the biggest and most disruptive one to date in American history (lasting 35 days) Republicans have been responsible for every single shutdown in the last 30 years, whether Newt Gingrich shutting down Clinton's government demanding deep cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other vital programs, or Republicans shutting down Obama's government over ACA and so on. GOP is the party of government dysfunction. | 
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 Who was in charge in 2018 again? | 
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 Hurting the country is the madman in the white house and the GOP members of Congress who handed over their constitutionally mandated responsibility to this fool. | 
| Trump said out loud that he was responsible for the 2018 shutdown because a Republican-led Congress wouldn't fund his wall. This time around the party is united and as much as they might want a shutdown they're at least not saying the quiet part out loud. Just like earlier this year Schumer will talk a good fight but cave to keep the government running. | 
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 This time I am not sure about that. Dems have absolutely nothing won or lose here. They’re just…existing at the moment. It there is a shutdown, Feds ain’t getting back pay | 
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 DP. What a dumb take. American history is replete with things that the majority didn’t care about (slavery, Jim Crow, child labor) that we evolved from. | 
| Shut it down! | 
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 Of course they are, it’s in statute. OMB doesn’t actually care about paying feds. There are thousands of them on paid admin leave right now. They care about pushing them to leave. So what I expect in a shutdown is: 1. More people on excepted lists (working and not getting paid 2. Foot dragging on the shutdown to force lower-income feds to get second/third jobs. Hoping some will jump ship and then finding ways to penalize others who stay (disciplinary action for not getting outside employment approved comes to mind). 3. Freezing WGI, laddered promotions and retirement and service computation calculations during a shutdown. | 
| No shutdown, series of continuing resolutions. | 
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 Congress passed a law after last trump shutdown that requires they get back pay. | 
| What would the Rs force a shutdown when they can pass laws and budgets to shut down whatever they (Trump) don't like? |