Reported hazing incident involving Damascus High School JV Football team

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pat O'Neill has done more for kids in this county than you ever will, and in a good way. As for being a bully, your imagination is running away from reality.

This was a heinous act. And, they are kids. It is not up to MCPS what happens to these kids, it is up to the MoCo police and justice system. It is not up to anyone here to be judge and jury. Recall the Rockville HS case, which when the FACTS came out, it turned out NOT to be rape (not saying this is the case here, just that we do not know all the facts)

The Board is absolutely at fault in the Rockville case, for being silent.

Whether it was rape or consensual, it showed that the security set-up at the high school was such that it was possible this could happen. Parents were rightfully concerned about the security at their own child's schools. A good Board would have at least not remained silent on the general security situation at MCPS. Maybe they could have said they're reviewing security at all MCPS schools, or putting in new policies or whatever. Instead, they said nothing. That's incompetence.

Those weren’t the facts, dearie - either someone paid off that family to be quiet or they threatened them. But ‘facts’? No. Don’t be stupid. It was going to be national news forever - and now it’s not. All gone!

So you are accusing John McCarthy of paying someone off so he doesn’t have to prosecute a rape case?

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Anonymous wrote:There was no rape at Rockville
There was a rape at RM and the rapist did not go to jail.

Vote out all judges and and the states attorney needs to go.

What are you talking about?
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/richard-montgomery-high-security-chief-sentenced-to-18-months-for-sexual-abuse-of-student/

20 years, all suspended except 18 f'ing months... time served. That means he did not go to jail.

There is nothing in that article about how much time he had served pre-trial and it is very uncommon for someone to serve 18 mos before pleading guilty. He absolutely did go to jail - for 18 mos if not more (it is actually fairly common for defendants to waive credit for time served in exchange for the 18 mos sentence which keeps them in the Montgomery County jail)

He was let out onbond. He raped again and then bond was revoked so he was in jail until trial.

He was given time served.

Either way 18 months is a pathetic sentence. The St. E's rapist was given 3 years and MD has ridiculously low guidelines for jail time for rape.

I agree, but I don't blame MCPS for that -- that's the court system.

What I do blame MCPS for is not doing a background check in the first place. He got in trouble when he was in NYC for assaulting a stripper -- he was arrested but not convicted. It was in the New York Times. This apparently didn't come up in his MCPS background check. They are so incompetent they didn't even Google his name.

Refusing to hire someone based on an arrest alone is a really problematic thing to do. Some states have even banned it in recognition that many innocent people - particularly minorities - are blocked from getting jobs unjustly. Let's not forget there is a huge difference between an arrest and a conviction.

Fine for certain jobs. Not fine for any job that comes into contact with kids. They hired this guy to be a Security Leader at the school, even though he had been arrested. That's not an issue for you?

In and of itself, no. An arrest is essentially meaningless. Why was he not convicted? There are any number of reasons someone could be arrested and yet completely innocent of the charges. Many cases aren't even remotely pursued by prosecutors because there is no evidence to support the charges.

You would really ok with your family member being denied employment for an arrest, even if it was shortly thereafter shown to be erroneous?

Looks like it was a misdemeanor:

"Officer Mark Yantsos, 34, is accused of using his revolver to menace a 30-year-old female employee of the Happy Go Lucky Bar at 679 Flatbush Avenue, whom the authorities said he was trying to pick up. The charge against Officer Yantsos, a seven-year veteran assigned to police applicant investigations, is a misdemeanor."

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/15/nyregion/police-sergeant-is-arrested-in-a-beating-at-a-store.html

So this shoiuldnt' prevent him from getting a job working in retail or as a cook at a restaurant, but this should be disqualifying to work in a position of authority around children.

You are missing the point. It says "accused," not convicted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wake up folks, this stuff goes on in every high school and college. Maybe not tape with a broomstick but things like a person has to sleep with a person others pick out, drug use, tattoos, cleaning locker rooms, dorms etc. Notjust athletes either all sorts of clubs, frats, organizations.

No, it actually doesn't. You are trying to normalize criminal behavior. It isn't normal.

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Anonymous wrote:The ring leader was expelled from Clarksburg.

If he was expelled from one pubic high school, then why was he at another public high school? What was the offense he was expelled for at Clarksburg?

MCPS is required to educate all kids. This has come up in other cases. They probably had to put him somewhere.

They have the Blair Ewing Center for kids like this.

Blair Ewing can't hold all the kids in MCPS that are on probation. That's why Blair HS has it's own probation officer assigned to the school. Students are regularly in court on criminal charges, including armed robbery, and sent back to school on probation.

The Board of Education closed the Kingsley Wilderness Center years ago. That was a place where these students could be sent to go to school with highly trained educators. Thank Pat O'Neill for closing down that center and other programs that kept criminal offenders from going right back to their local high school. It was Pat O'Neill who thought keeping those students in neighborhood schools was a good idea.

Pat O'Neill also thought it was a good idea to keep John Vigna and Jose Pineda in schools years after they were caught sexually abusing students. Yes, Pat O'Neill has done a lot for students, but none of it in a good way. Vote her out or expect more of the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ring leader was expelled from Clarksburg.

If he was expelled from one pubic high school, then why was he at another public high school? What was the offense he was expelled for at Clarksburg?

MCPS is required to educate all kids. This has come up in other cases. They probably had to put him somewhere.

They have the Blair Ewing Center for kids like this.

Blair Ewing can't hold all the kids in MCPS that are on probation. That's why Blair HS has it's own probation officer assigned to the school. Students are regularly in court on criminal charges, including armed robbery, and sent back to school on probation.

The Board of Education closed the Kingsley Wilderness Center years ago. That was a place where these students could be sent to go to school with highly trained educators. Thank Pat O'Neill for closing down that center and other programs that kept criminal offenders from going right back to their local high school. It was Pat O'Neill who thought keeping those students in neighborhood schools was a good idea.

Pat O'Neill also thought it was a good idea to keep John Vigna and Jose Pineda in schools years after they were caught sexually abusing students. Yes, Pat O'Neill has done a lot for students, but none of it in a good way. Vote her out or expect more of the same.

Pat O'Neill MUST be held accountable for his egregious behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no rape at Rockville
There was a rape at RM and the rapist did not go to jail.

Vote out all judges and and the states attorney needs to go.

What are you talking about?
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/richard-montgomery-high-security-chief-sentenced-to-18-months-for-sexual-abuse-of-student/

20 years, all suspended except 18 f'ing months... time served. That means he did not go to jail.

There is nothing in that article about how much time he had served pre-trial and it is very uncommon for someone to serve 18 mos before pleading guilty. He absolutely did go to jail - for 18 mos if not more (it is actually fairly common for defendants to waive credit for time served in exchange for the 18 mos sentence which keeps them in the Montgomery County jail)

He was let out onbond. He raped again and then bond was revoked so he was in jail until trial.

He was given time served.

Either way 18 months is a pathetic sentence. The St. E's rapist was given 3 years and MD has ridiculously low guidelines for jail time for rape.

I agree, but I don't blame MCPS for that -- that's the court system.

What I do blame MCPS for is not doing a background check in the first place. He got in trouble when he was in NYC for assaulting a stripper -- he was arrested but not convicted. It was in the New York Times. This apparently didn't come up in his MCPS background check. They are so incompetent they didn't even Google his name.

It is still Montgomery county govt. it's pathetic.

Mcps knew the security guard was grooming kids and he was warned. WTF is that. Inappropriate contact = lose your job.

Yes, if you are arrested for assault and you did not get it expunged, it's a red flag. this is not just a job, it's s job that protects children.

How do you know he was warned?

"The top security official at a Maryland high school was warned several times in writing about inappropriate contact with a student but was kept in his position and ultimately charged with sexually abusing the 17-year-old, according to details that emerged in court."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-school-security-chief-was-warned-about-inappropriate-conduct-but-kept-in-post/2017/09/24/e794343c-9e2c-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html?utm_term=.a0f57d3be450

I assume he's a member of a union and they fought to protect him.

"Inappropriate contact" CODE for SEX.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ring leader was expelled from Clarksburg.

If he was expelled from one pubic high school, then why was he at another public high school? What was the offense he was expelled for at Clarksburg?

MCPS is required to educate all kids. This has come up in other cases. They probably had to put him somewhere.

They have the Blair Ewing Center for kids like this.

Blair Ewing can't hold all the kids in MCPS that are on probation. That's why Blair HS has it's own probation officer assigned to the school. Students are regularly in court on criminal charges, including armed robbery, and sent back to school on probation.

The Board of Education closed the Kingsley Wilderness Center years ago. That was a place where these students could be sent to go to school with highly trained educators. Thank Pat O'Neill for closing down that center and other programs that kept criminal offenders from going right back to their local high school. It was Pat O'Neill who thought keeping those students in neighborhood schools was a good idea.

Pat O'Neill also thought it was a good idea to keep John Vigna and Jose Pineda in schools years after they were caught sexually abusing students. Yes, Pat O'Neill has done a lot for students, but none of it in a good way. Vote her out or expect more of the same.

Pat O'Neill MUST be held accountable for his egregious behavior.

Pat is female. https://ballotpedia.org/Patricia_O%27Neill

[Anonymous]

The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

Expelled for what?

Youre at least the 2nd person to say this, with no explanation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

Expelled for what?

Youre at least the 2nd person to say this, with no explanation.

It might be the same person saying it twice, with no explanation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

Expelled for what?

Youre at least the 2nd person to say this, with no explanation.

DP

Ask someone at Clarksburg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

Expelled for what?

Youre at least the 2nd person to say this, with no explanation.

DP

Ask someone at Clarksburg.

Uh huh. My kid is at Clarksburg HS, and that's not the rumor my kid told me. My kid told me a different rumor, which I'm not going to repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main culprit is a former Clarksbuirg student who was expelled last year.

Expelled for what?

Youre at least the 2nd person to say this, with no explanation.

DP

Ask someone at Clarksburg.

Uh huh. My kid is at Clarksburg HS, and that's not the rumor my kid told me. My kid told me a different rumor, which I'm not going to repeat.

Super helpful, thanks for adding to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ring leader was expelled from Clarksburg.

If he was expelled from one pubic high school, then why was he at another public high school? What was the offense he was expelled for at Clarksburg?

MCPS is required to educate all kids. This has come up in other cases. They probably had to put him somewhere.

They have the Blair Ewing Center for kids like this.

Blair Ewing can't hold all the kids in MCPS that are on probation. That's why Blair HS has it's own probation officer assigned to the school. Students are regularly in court on criminal charges, including armed robbery, and sent back to school on probation.

The Board of Education closed the Kingsley Wilderness Center years ago. That was a place where these students could be sent to go to school with highly trained educators. Thank Pat O'Neill for closing down that center and other programs that kept criminal offenders from going right back to their local high school. It was Pat O'Neill who thought keeping those students in neighborhood schools was a good idea.

Pat O'Neill also thought it was a good idea to keep John Vigna and Jose Pineda in schools years after they were caught sexually abusing students. Yes, Pat O'Neill has done a lot for students, but none of it in a good way. Vote her out or expect more of the same.

Pat O'Neill MUST be held accountable for his egregious behavior.

Pat is female. https://ballotpedia.org/Patricia_O%27Neill

Thanks. She sounds like a very bad person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ring leader was expelled from Clarksburg.

If he was expelled from one pubic high school, then why was he at another public high school? What was the offense he was expelled for at Clarksburg?

MCPS is required to educate all kids. This has come up in other cases. They probably had to put him somewhere.

They have the Blair Ewing Center for kids like this.

Blair Ewing can't hold all the kids in MCPS that are on probation. That's why Blair HS has it's own probation officer assigned to the school. Students are regularly in court on criminal charges, including armed robbery, and sent back to school on probation.

The Board of Education closed the Kingsley Wilderness Center years ago. That was a place where these students could be sent to go to school with highly trained educators. Thank Pat O'Neill for closing down that center and other programs that kept criminal offenders from going right back to their local high school. It was Pat O'Neill who thought keeping those students in neighborhood schools was a good idea.

Pat O'Neill also thought it was a good idea to keep John Vigna and Jose Pineda in schools years after they were caught sexually abusing students. Yes, Pat O'Neill has done a lot for students, but none of it in a good way. Vote her out or expect more of the same.

Pat O'Neill MUST be held accountable for his egregious behavior.

Pat is female. https://ballotpedia.org/Patricia_O%27Neill

Thanks. She sounds like a very bad person.

+1. Never paid much attention the school board election. Always voted for incumbents. Not this year.