A sad story about terrible parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:when it comes to calling someone a dirtbag, we should all be class-blind and color-blind. I don't care if you are a billionaire or on welfare, a bad mother is a bad mother.

These are my thoughts. Why in the world are the PPs on here defending this woman?

Because she wasn't a billionaire, and if you're really that naive to think that that fact didn't play into her life's issues, you are really stupid.

Oh, please. There are lots of poor parents who actually care about their kids. It's patronizing on your part to assume that this woman didn't know any better than to leave her kids home alone.

Go on and defend her, if it makes you feel better. I'm sure her kids would appreciate you taking her side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:when it comes to calling someone a dirtbag, we should all be class-blind and color-blind. I don't care if you are a billionaire or on welfare, a bad mother is a bad mother.

These are my thoughts. Why in the world are the PPs on here defending this woman?

Because she wasn't a billionaire, and if you're really that naive to think that that fact didn't play into her life's issues, you are really stupid.

Oh, please. There are lots of poor parents who actually care about their kids. It's patronizing on your part to assume that this woman didn't know any better than to leave her kids home alone.

Go on and defend her, if it makes you feel better. I'm sure her kids would appreciate you taking her side.

I'm not defending her. I just called her a piece of crap. But I'm not going to judge her for all the reasons you seem OK to judge her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

jesus christ, it is NOT ok to have kids by several different men IF the men are not going to help emotionally and financially as parents and IF you are not independently wealthy. We are all in this boat together, and our tax dollars and our future are tied in with everyone else.

[Anonymous]

So what, you're now the sex police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

jesus christ, it is NOT ok to have kids by several different men IF the men are not going to help emotionally and financially as parents and IF you are not independently wealthy. We are all in this boat together, and our tax dollars and our future are tied in with everyone else.

So is is a class issue. At least we finally admitted that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

6 kids back to back, 4 baby daddy's........sorry, you are being judged.

[Anonymous]

I think wealth comes into play with respect to having plenty of kids, yes. That is just common sense.

but wealth, or lack thereof, is not an excuse for being a horrible irresponsible human being. britney spears, the kardashians and llo are not murderers, but I could not hold them in any lower regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jesus christ, it is NOT ok to have kids by several different men IF the men are not going to help emotionally and financially as parents and IF you are not independently wealthy. We are all in this boat together, and our tax dollars and our future are tied in with everyone else.

I'm a pp who said number of fathers irrelevant cuz it was possible mom had turned her life around. Now I know she didn't so I will say its a sign of being a bad mother but I think that holds true regardless of class background. Really, pp? You want to make this about tax dollars? That's irrelevant to me but if you want to go there I don't believe we shd be giving friggin' child deductions to rich people who have kids with multiple fathers either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

6 kids back to back, 4 baby daddy's........sorry, you are being judged.

So are you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

6 kids back to back, 4 baby daddy's........sorry, you are being judged.

....especially when you can't even take care of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

6 kids back to back, 4 baby daddy's........sorry, you are being judged.

So are you.

Everybody judges, PP. It's human nature. Sorry that hurts your feelings so much. Are you not human? Are you special?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the fact that she was out partying doesn't change what many of us have been arguing the whole time. It doesn't matter that her children are by different fathers, and all of the other judgmental crap you all are spewing. No one is really saying that it was OK for her to leave them at home UNLESS she was out at work. And we were waiting for word on that. And now yes, like PP said, we got word that she's a piece of crap for THAT decision. Not having children by different men. Different issues entirely.

But really, what was the point of this thread? OK, we all got the message. Don't leave your children at home alone while you go out partying. Got it.

But we all know that wasn't the point of this thread. It's a bunch of DC folks pointing at "those people" and chortling their judgmental "oh, see, here's her picture, hee hee hee."
Enjoy the rest of your fun.

I think this thread was about people being fed up by irresponsible behavior and then others coming on here giving excuses...

it's okay to have a bunch of kids by different baby daddy's, even if you can't take care of them, it's totally acceptable.....
she was probably volunteering and working.......
we are all so racist and judgemental, those people don't know better because their poor, you know you can't expect much from them folks down south......(this one really bugs me, WTH?)


Such ignorance, really. And the truth is? Girlfriend was getting down at the club and found that to be more important than taking care of her children. Sorry some of us are pissed and appalled by this kind of behavior.

This thread started way before anyone knew what her story was, where she was, etc. so this baloney that you think it was just about being irresponsible is bullshit. What if she WAS working? What if? Because this thread started before that question was answered.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY OK FOR ANYONE TO HAVE CHILDREN BY DIFFERENT MEN. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? Is that your daughter? Then shut up you judgmental ass.
And the WTF comment is you being an idiot and misunderstanding. No one said we can't expect much of poor people down south. What was said, because I SAID IT, was that we should expect more of ourselves you moron.

6 kids back to back, 4 baby daddy's........sorry, you are being judged.

So are you.

Everybody judges, PP. It's human nature. Sorry that hurts your feelings so much. Are you not human? Are you special?

Yup, and I'm just letting you know that I'm judging you. That's all. Totally my choice, just as I'm sure you'll tell me you're judging me. And of course I'm special. You haven't figured that out yet?

[Anonymous]

In terms of the "6 kids by 4+ fathers" issue, has anyone considered that the fact that this woman likely has mental health issues, severe addiction issues, or may have a very low IQ and not have the mental ability to make what we would consider rational decisions?

I've worked with women like this as an RN in a pregnancy/addiction clinic in Baltimore. I'm seen countless women who have 5-15 kids by different men and have been severely addicted to heroin their entire lives. Many pregnancies the result of prostitution, rape, etc (often while the woman is high or intoxicated).

I don't condone what this woman did but women who have these high numbers of unsupported kids are generally dealing with some incredibly tough situations (often across multiple generations).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jesus christ, it is NOT ok to have kids by several different men IF the men are not going to help emotionally and financially as parents and IF you are not independently wealthy. We are all in this boat together, and our tax dollars and our future are tied in with everyone else.

I'm a pp who said number of fathers irrelevant cuz it was possible mom had turned her life around. Now I know she didn't so I will say its a sign of being a bad mother but I think that holds true regardless of class background. Really, pp? You want to make this about tax dollars? That's irrelevant to me but if you want to go there I don't believe we shd be giving friggin' child deductions to rich people who have kids with multiple fathers either.

i think a lot of the vitriol here is exactly about tax dollars. a 26 year old who has five kids, so one every other year since she was 16, let's say, and who is not showing the level of parental involvement that is reasonable for adults (and by that i do not mean the helicopter parenting that goes on here) is likely not a contributing member of her (or any) community. i'd be willing to bet my 2011 tax payment that she does not pay taxes (like more than 40% of the rest of the population), but rather is living off the "contributions" of the fine people of Louisiana.

and by the way, any deductions "rich people who have kids with multiple fathers" may be eligible don't actually matter to the amount they pay in taxes.

and yes, i judge anyone who has more kids than they can care for or afford with multiple partners to whom they have never been married OR had a stable relationship, regardless of wealth, race, gender, or anything else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In terms of the "6 kids by 4+ fathers" issue, has anyone considered that the fact that this woman likely has mental health issues, severe addiction issues, or may have a very low IQ and not have the mental ability to make what we would consider rational decisions?

I've worked with women like this as an RN in a pregnancy/addiction clinic in Baltimore. I'm seen countless women who have 5-15 kids by different men and have been severely addicted to heroin their entire lives. Many pregnancies the result of prostitution, rape, etc (often while the woman is high or intoxicated).

I don't condone what this woman did but women who have these high numbers of unsupported kids are generally dealing with some incredibly tough situations (often across multiple generations).

No, no one has considered that, despite some of us trying to get them to. They're having too much judging from afar and feeling superior to hear anything other than this woman is a monster and don't care one bit that she is obviously troubled.