Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

You are very out of touch. Over the last 18 months, hundreds of thousands of Americans have been fired via emails sent at all hours! And he was not expelled via email. The dean sent him a follow-up note after their meeting, presumably when the dean found the free time to do so. Academics and medical professionals send emails when they can; often late at night. The dean sending that same email the next morning at 9AM wouldn't have changed a thing. The parents would just pivot to the dean taking so long to get back with him was the reason for X, Y and Z.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

This wasn’t a small thing.

He hadn't even done the hearing yet. He had no idea what the consequences were going to be. There's a very good chance he would have done some extra counseling and gone on just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

Oh sure. Sent so late at night. You probably think he should have just offed himself sooner. Why the delay?

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Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

This wasn’t a small thing.

He hadn't even done the hearing yet. He had no idea what the consequences were going to be. There's a very good chance he would have done some extra counseling and gone on just fine.

Now we'll never know. But you're not the final word on this so your opinion doesn't really matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

Wannabe obgyn just saw a patient’s vagina and then uses her chart to cyberstalk her on social media as soon as she leaves. No big deal?

What’s the crime?

You ought to google Larry Nasser.

Um sticking your hand up into young girls bodies is not at all similar to asking a question that made an adult uncomfortable. Are you insane?

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

Oh sure. Sent so late at night. You probably think he should have just offed himself sooner. Why the delay?

That's a bizarre take on this. Basically the email was a summary of a meeting he already had. The guy also didn't immediately off himself, the idea that itnwas a sudden impulse after the email doesn't match the facts.

You can feel bad that this guy had some issues that took him to take his life without blaming other people for it.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

Oh sure. Sent so late at night. You probably think he should have just offed himself sooner. Why the delay?

That's a bizarre take on this. Basically the email was a summary of a meeting he already had. The guy also didn't immediately off himself, the idea that itnwas a sudden impulse after the email doesn't match the facts.

You can feel bad that this guy had some issues that took him to take his life without blaming other people for it.

That email should have been sent at a normal hour. There's no defending it.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

You're minimizing what he did to an alarming degree.

She didn't have to give him her instagram info. I can find it for most people with a simple search. Don't assume she provided it to him. I had an awful experience with a doctor doing a pelvic ultrasound who was very inappropriate and acted like he was sexually assaulting me while a nurse he had been arguing with stood nearby ignoring everything. I'm mad at myself that I didn't go to the police.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

This is a good practice but it is not always done. When I was younger male doctors tried to examine me in the hospital several times with no nurse. It still happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Very cool that brilliant American kids are "weeded out" by the hundreds of thousands every year because they get a B+ in organic chemistry (or whatever) but creeps and predators somehow keep "slipping through the cracks."

Misogyny and paternalism have always ruled. Look at the poster here who is clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

Oh sure. Sent so late at night. You probably think he should have just offed himself sooner. Why the delay?

That's a bizarre take on this. Basically the email was a summary of a meeting he already had. The guy also didn't immediately off himself, the idea that itnwas a sudden impulse after the email doesn't match the facts.

You can feel bad that this guy had some issues that took him to take his life without blaming other people for it.

That email should have been sent at a normal hour. There's no defending it.

The guy didn't kill himself until well into the next day. His suicide took a decent amount of planning and action. The timing of a summary email wasn't the issue here.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to be expelled. A university can't risk losing their rotation site and a hospital system doesn't want to be sued or have their reputation destroyed by some pervert physician after a credible young nurse victim goes to local media. He should have lawyered up immediately because it reads like he put a lot of damning evidence against himself into the record. Anything you say can and will be used against you...

Because he asked some questions? This seems a little ridiculous.

After all we've been through with the Nasars etc, it's more than disappointing to read your stupid post.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

The consequences were already laid out during his one on one meeting earlier that day. The email was meaningless; if anything, it was an encouraging and supportive note.

Oh sure. Sent so late at night. You probably think he should have just offed himself sooner. Why the delay?

That's a bizarre take on this. Basically the email was a summary of a meeting he already had. The guy also didn't immediately off himself, the idea that itnwas a sudden impulse after the email doesn't match the facts.

You can feel bad that this guy had some issues that took him to take his life without blaming other people for it.

That email should have been sent at a normal hour. There's no defending it.

What are normal hours?