Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

Do you think therapists are magicians and letting him cut the line and steal a hypothetical 30 or 60 minute session that night would have fixed everything going on in his head? Then what happens if the student bumped from the schedule so the med student could steal his spot takes his life the next day. Is that death the college’s fault too for letting the med student cut in line?

It’s just your opinion that they should have done even less. But now there’s a dead student.

When people talk about university responsibilities to students, it’s really about teens and the school acting as parents in absence.

This man was 24 years old, old enough to be a full officer in the military directing men to their death. He was on the cusp of being a doctor responsible for peoples lives. The university does not owe him anything more than any other employee, just because he was a “student” is meaningless.

Even employers know that firing people should be done at certain times. They don’t send you an email at 1130pm laying out the dire consequences. They actually do have a responsibility to him.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents already in the Indian press claiming bias and that the school made their son kill himself.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/our-son-was-forced-to-end-life-parents-of-indian-medical-student-vaibhav-duggal-accuse-texas-tech-university-of-bias/amp_articleshow/126614722.cms

They need to sue everyone into oblivion. Including the “patient.”

[Anonymous]

Not being able to cope with stress or manage disappointment is just another outcome of the ridiculous way children are now parented. It see it every day at the school where I work. NO coping skills. Everything has just been smoothed out and snowplowed and catered to them since they were born. No grit.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

No one thinks he deserves it. He killed himself. Everyone wishes he had not done that.

There are situations when I think a suicide can be blamed on another person or an institution, for causing harm or failing to intervene. But this isn't one of them. He screwed up, he experienced consequences, he couldn't handle them due to undiagnosed mental illness, and he killed himself. It is a sad story but you can't then blame the institution. If we are going to blame the med school, why not also blame the patient who reported his bad behavior (oh, I see posters on this thread are already doing so). Why not blame his parents (oh we're doing that too). Why not blame other students for failing to befriend him enough to prevent this. Shall we blame every woman who might have dated him but didn't? Why not blame the US immigration system fir failing to help assimilate? Where does the blame end and at what point can we step back and just say "I wish he had not done that but it's not really anyone's fault."

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

No one thinks he deserves it. He killed himself. Everyone wishes he had not done that.

There are situations when I think a suicide can be blamed on another person or an institution, for causing harm or failing to intervene. But this isn't one of them. He screwed up, he experienced consequences, he couldn't handle them due to undiagnosed mental illness, and he killed himself. It is a sad story but you can't then blame the institution. If we are going to blame the med school, why not also blame the patient who reported his bad behavior (oh, I see posters on this thread are already doing so). Why not blame his parents (oh we're doing that too). Why not blame other students for failing to befriend him enough to prevent this. Shall we blame every woman who might have dated him but didn't? Why not blame the US immigration system for failing to help assimilate? Where does the blame end and at what point can we step back and just say "I wish he had not done that but it's not really anyone's fault."

There are definitely posters in here who are glad he's gone. But, like the Stanford student death, the lawsuit brought about much needed changes as to how universities handle discipline and student mental health, so that's a likely ending here as well. Mistakes were made.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

No one thinks he deserves it. He killed himself. Everyone wishes he had not done that.

There are situations when I think a suicide can be blamed on another person or an institution, for causing harm or failing to intervene. But this isn't one of them. He screwed up, he experienced consequences, he couldn't handle them due to undiagnosed mental illness, and he killed himself. It is a sad story but you can't then blame the institution. If we are going to blame the med school, why not also blame the patient who reported his bad behavior (oh, I see posters on this thread are already doing so). Why not blame his parents (oh we're doing that too). Why not blame other students for failing to befriend him enough to prevent this. Shall we blame every woman who might have dated him but didn't? Why not blame the US immigration system fir failing to help assimilate? Where does the blame end and at what point can we step back and just say "I wish he had not done that but it's not really anyone's fault."

There is PLENTY of blame to go around here.

[Anonymous]

Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

Stop putting words in my mouth, I think absolutely none of those things.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

No one thinks he deserves it. He killed himself. Everyone wishes he had not done that.

There are situations when I think a suicide can be blamed on another person or an institution, for causing harm or failing to intervene. But this isn't one of them. He screwed up, he experienced consequences, he couldn't handle them due to undiagnosed mental illness, and he killed himself. It is a sad story but you can't then blame the institution. If we are going to blame the med school, why not also blame the patient who reported his bad behavior (oh, I see posters on this thread are already doing so). Why not blame his parents (oh we're doing that too). Why not blame other students for failing to befriend him enough to prevent this. Shall we blame every woman who might have dated him but didn't? Why not blame the US immigration system fir failing to help assimilate? Where does the blame end and at what point can we step back and just say "I wish he had not done that but it's not really anyone's fault."

There is PLENTY of blame to go around here.

Couldn’t disagree more. Some people are mentally unstable. It happens. It’s sad. The end.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

This falls flat. It appears the campus crisis center has a 24/7 hotline he could have called (a resource he would have known about as a volunteer). It also appears the crisis center opened Tuesday at 8 a.m., hours before be purchased the firearm.

Monday, July 28: 10 p.m., in bed with girlfriend, restless and couldn’t fall asleep.
Monday, July 28: 11:36 p.m, admin email received.
Tuesday, July 29: 10:27 a.m., purchased a gun.
Tuesday, July 29, 2 p.m., crossed state lines, put on his white coat, and taken his own life.

Is there such a thing as a campus crisis center being open 24/7 fully staffed with psychologists and therapists? I highly doubt it.

He says he went and they told him to come back the next day. He killed himself. Do you think he wasn’t in some kind of distress?

The email from the therapist is sent at 6:01 p.m., which is after the clinic had closed (at 5pm?). Sounds like a therapist going above and beyond outside of work hours. Therapist also asks if he needs help in the meantime (i.e. from now until the clinic re-opens in the morning?), "please let me know so I can assist."

I'd bet anything that therapist will take the trauma from this to their grave.

Expecting 24/7 on-call therapists for any student who wants to see one is not economically possible. Public university therapists are spread sooooooo thin, it's really not a substitute for private health care provider.

So it was closed, as they said. I guess if you’re going to have a breakdown better be during regular business hours or you’re SOL.

That's why ERs exist. If you're in active crisis you call 911.

And there’s also a national suicide hotline you can call 988.

You're totally right. He deserved it and and so did his parents because they are Indians and you don't like them. Do I have it right?

No one thinks he deserves it. He killed himself. Everyone wishes he had not done that.

There are situations when I think a suicide can be blamed on another person or an institution, for causing harm or failing to intervene. But this isn't one of them. He screwed up, he experienced consequences, he couldn't handle them due to undiagnosed mental illness, and he killed himself. It is a sad story but you can't then blame the institution. If we are going to blame the med school, why not also blame the patient who reported his bad behavior (oh, I see posters on this thread are already doing so). Why not blame his parents (oh we're doing that too). Why not blame other students for failing to befriend him enough to prevent this. Shall we blame every woman who might have dated him but didn't? Why not blame the US immigration system fir failing to help assimilate? Where does the blame end and at what point can we step back and just say "I wish he had not done that but it's not really anyone's fault."

There is PLENTY of blame to go around here.

Couldn’t disagree more. Some people are mentally unstable. It happens. It’s sad. The end.

Ok. Or more likely they will adopt new policies vs the pathetic "what can we do!?"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5545/text

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless someone is being targeted or abused (no evidence of that here) a suicide is not the fault of others.

This. I have a sibling who has attempted suicide. The triggering events have been frankly normal things. She has a mental illness that makes her catastrophize small things, and that's why she takes prescribed medication. Med changes can also trigger episodes (meds can be less effective over time). It's very common for mental illness to manifest in your 20s.

This wasn’t a small thing.