Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about it but where would I go that there US or Russia doesn’t have reach?

South America. Costa Rica. Parts of Asia.

Some of the Caribbean nations, the more developed countries in Subsaharan Africa. Maybe not American quality of life, but globally they tend to be forgotten about by global powers. I don’t know the visa or immigration process of these nations Im just tossing out ideas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

The problem is that people are comparing Europe and the US as they are today. Not what they will be like in a year. That is why people want to move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

What if there's no grass here. What if it's paved over like the Rose Garden?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

I’m in a position where I could legally move to another country and work.

The problem is that, once we have serious problems, the doors will bang shut. There are just too many Americans, Putin has invested too much money in demonizing us, and we do stupid things that make ourselves more unpopular.

So, I could escape and have the necessities of life, but I’d never be accepted or comfortable.

Few people without family ties will be able to escape, and most who manage to escape will live sad, stunted lives.

Because of what the end of America would do to democracies all around the world, even if Americans manage to get by in countries with free elections, there won’t be any such thing as our children truly integrating in those societies. Even if our children become citizens in these other countries, they’ll still be despised American outsiders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about it but where would I go that there US or Russia doesn’t have reach?

South America. Costa Rica. Parts of Asia.

CR has no army!

Pretty sure Venezuela is close with Russia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a second generation American and could get grandparent citizenship in two countries with strong passports. But I love our country - I’m staying. I’m not letting the jerks win.

Grandparent citizenship is not a thing, so you might want to double check.

I also think your framing is quite naive. Do you think letting the jerks win by personally leaving, even for a period of years so as not to live under oppression, is the worst thing that can happen? If you’ve lived in an authoritarian state where the only medicine you can get is imported from doctors in other countries and elections are ceremonial and you can’t count on the police or the government for anything and there is no opposition party then you’ll understand that sometimes the jerks win regardless of whether you stay or go. And there are much worse things than leaving.

The UK has an ancestry visa where if you can prove your grandparent was born in the UK and you have a job in the UK waiting for you or a business plan, you can get a visa for 5 years to establish yourself.

We have researched this visa extensively and plan on pursuing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

The problem is that people are comparing Europe and the US as they are today. Not what they will be like in a year. That is why people want to move.

Europe today is far from rosy.

[Anonymous]

We just talked last night about whether we should try to go somewhere - my DH is in a job that could maybe be transferable - but have no idea where we’d go or what’s involved. I’d have to give up my job and we’d have to uproot our kids, let alone all the visas etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a second generation American and could get grandparent citizenship in two countries with strong passports. But I love our country - I’m staying. I’m not letting the jerks win.

Grandparent citizenship is not a thing, so you might want to double check.

I also think your framing is quite naive. Do you think letting the jerks win by personally leaving, even for a period of years so as not to live under oppression, is the worst thing that can happen? If you’ve lived in an authoritarian state where the only medicine you can get is imported from doctors in other countries and elections are ceremonial and you can’t count on the police or the government for anything and there is no opposition party then you’ll understand that sometimes the jerks win regardless of whether you stay or go. And there are much worse things than leaving.

The UK has an ancestry visa where if you can prove your grandparent was born in the UK and you have a job in the UK waiting for you or a business plan, you can get a visa for 5 years to establish yourself.

We have researched this visa extensively and plan on pursuing it.

Italy, Spain, Ireland too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

The problem is that people are comparing Europe and the US as they are today. Not what they will be like in a year. That is why people want to move.

Europe today is far from rosy.

Still not the point. Will it be better than the US in a year? Many guess yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

A wholesale move against women's rights.

And yes, I realize Roe was overturned and that was a big step in that direction. That was a major tripwire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

I will not leave until my personal safety is threatened. But I'm a nobody, so I doubt that will happen.
And I want to join the resistance, so leaving would negate that.
Everything I love is here. I do not want to leave. I want THEM to leave and go live in Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

effing troll. you don't even live here

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have the ability to move to three different countries but am not leaving. I do not believe this is the same as 1930s Germany and in fact think the people who are saying that are insulting the victims of the Holocaust.

The Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers, it was decades in the making. Many, many people (who would know) are sounding the alarm and saying the parallels are unmistakable. Listen to them.

Immigrants are locked up in tent cities in Guantanamo. Out of sight, and God knows what's happening to them. If that doesn't give you chills....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a second generation American and could get grandparent citizenship in two countries with strong passports. But I love our country - I’m staying. I’m not letting the jerks win.

Grandparent citizenship is not a thing, so you might want to double check.

I also think your framing is quite naive. Do you think letting the jerks win by personally leaving, even for a period of years so as not to live under oppression, is the worst thing that can happen? If you’ve lived in an authoritarian state where the only medicine you can get is imported from doctors in other countries and elections are ceremonial and you can’t count on the police or the government for anything and there is no opposition party then you’ll understand that sometimes the jerks win regardless of whether you stay or go. And there are much worse things than leaving.

It certainly is. I got a UK passport through my grandmother.