Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

Such a stupid sweeping generalization. We travel all the time, DC graduated from college in the UK, never ever have I encountered anything but pleasant, normal people of all walks of life. What do you do to people that they treat you badly?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a second generation American and could get grandparent citizenship in two countries with strong passports. But I love our country - I’m staying. I’m not letting the jerks win.

Grandparent citizenship is not a thing, so you might want to double check.

I also think your framing is quite naive. Do you think letting the jerks win by personally leaving, even for a period of years so as not to live under oppression, is the worst thing that can happen? If you’ve lived in an authoritarian state where the only medicine you can get is imported from doctors in other countries and elections are ceremonial and you can’t count on the police or the government for anything and there is no opposition party then you’ll understand that sometimes the jerks win regardless of whether you stay or go. And there are much worse things than leaving.

It certainly is. I got a UK passport through my grandmother.

My point was that "grandparent citizenship" is a term that someone posting on here made up to describe "citizenship by decent/ancestry." Saying you have or can get "grandparent citizenship" makes you sound ridiculous. My family has citizenship by decent, so I'm familiar with both the concept and the correct terminology.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a genuine question: for those of you who believe Trump is Hitler, etc., what do you propose those of us do who do not have an easy out to another country?

I love these people telling us to leave and then slip in ‘yes, we are dual citizens in the UK’ or some BS. Not the reality for most people.

Find a way out.

Apply for asylum abroad

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this site. No country is going to accept asylum seekers from the US.

I wouldn’t be so sure. I could see that there could an outflow of “refugees” from the US. People that are being discriminated against or oppressed, possibly threatened.

The thing is, there is going to be brain drain from red states to blue states, and blues states internationally. I think that a lot of countries would be more than willing. It’s not like we are trying to ship Trump voters over there

Sure but right now the brain drain is from blue to red. The red states are picking up companies and people.

That's because states like Texas touted places like Austin ( a little spot of blue) . With Trump 2.0 only the delusional are thinking they are going to be okay in a red state.

Oh and don't get me started on places like Alabama. Trump just gutted it's intellectual core.

I actually just found out about some really interesting climate resiliency work U of A did that would make lower income communities in the state more insurable. I'm sure that will be the first thing to go.

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t in a targeted group or a public political opponent you will probably be mostly fine.

No one will be fine when the economy collapses and we run out of food.

You forgot the shortages of vaccines and medicines (or will that be purposeful and for our benefit) that will become particularly acute during the unchecked avian flu outbreak.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about it but where would I go that there US or Russia doesn’t have reach?

China

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Anonymous wrote:If I had an exit ramp I would have been gone long ago. Alas, I have to stay and fight. I hope we can get it over with before my kids are of an age to be drafted.

Same. Two boys 16 and 9 and this crap shares the s**t out of me. I feel like we're on our way to WWIII and we'll be on the wrong side this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Final straw would be when there is no longer freedom of the press. Until then as long as I’m not personally targeted I will stay and do what I can to fight back.

We don’t have foreign passports but have family in Europe who could help.

Agree this is what I fear most and I think it will come.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

Do you honestly think the moves this administration is making will be good for you financially or for national security? Serious question.

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My sister just moved to an EU county for non-political reasons. We plan to visit for an extended time next year. If we like it, and things escalate here, we will move. We have a daughter with disability who requires a lot of care. If her Medicaid is cut we will move.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Final straw would be when there is no longer freedom of the press. Until then as long as I’m not personally targeted I will stay and do what I can to fight back.

We don’t have foreign passports but have family in Europe who could help.

Agree this is what I fear most and I think it will come.

It’s here. Trump has permanently banned the Associated Press from the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

I’m in a position where I could legally move to another country and work.

The problem is that, once we have serious problems, the doors will bang shut. There are just too many Americans, Putin has invested too much money in demonizing us, and we do stupid things that make ourselves more unpopular.

So, I could escape and have the necessities of life, but I’d never be accepted or comfortable.

Few people without family ties will be able to escape, and most who manage to escape will live sad, stunted lives.

Because of what the end of America would do to democracies all around the world, even if Americans manage to get by in countries with free elections, there won’t be any such thing as our children truly integrating in those societies. Even if our children become citizens in these other countries, they’ll still be despised American outsiders.

You do realise people immigrate to other countries and become citizens and integrate all the time? Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, Ireland. If anything, the fact you’re native English speakers would make it easier than for many.

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Anonymous wrote:My sister just moved to an EU county for non-political reasons. We plan to visit for an extended time next year. If we like it, and things escalate here, we will move. We have a daughter with disability who requires a lot of care. If her Medicaid is cut we will move.

Your daughter having a disability will make it impossible for her to move to another country. Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

Yes. Trump/Musk aren't "scaring me". They have nearly eliminated the rule of law and the Republican-controlled Congress is rolling over and letting them violate the Constitution every day. They keep pushing the limits and getting no consequences.

The lack of safeguards is what scares me. What would be the final straw? Very hard to say. I personally cannot leave right now because I am caring for elderly and disabled family members who do not have the ability to move abroad. But I am working very hard to be able to send my adult children to a safer place where the rule of law has been less affected.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

Do you honestly think the moves this administration is making will be good for you financially or for national security? Serious question.

Yes. I already feel safer now that the border is closed and criminals are being removed. His economic policies will take time to erase the damage of Biden, but cutting wasteful spending, eliminating the bloated government bureaucracy, reducing regulations and extending his tax cuts will be good for the country.