FCPS not following the new state models

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, real honest question for those pushing back on Reid's email--Let's say there is a child in 6th grade classroom at your elementary school who has fully socially transitioned from male to female. By all outward appearances, this child looks female. Parents are on board, have signed whatever is required for their child to be addressed by a chosen name and she/her pronouns. The child is not disruptive, asks for no special treatment beyond the norm for any child in the room, and does not engage in any outward advocacy.

In this scenario, what do you see as the problem? What is the concern with that child simply being accepted as they are and being treated like everyone else?

I ask this because I feel like this issue is so often framed as an abstract idea as opposed to being about real children sitting in real classrooms being taught by real teachers. I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to deny that child's (and by extension, their parents') right to be the person they believe themselves to be. How is that less disruptive to the educational environment you say you are focused on that simply accepting the, as they are and focusing on learning?

Do you know any sixth graders like this? "Socially transitioned?" Are you familiar with sixth graders? Do you realize that their bodies are rapidly changing? A sixth grade trans girl who is "socially transitioned" is going to begin to have a deepening voice. Depending on his maturity, he/she is going to have body hair begin to grow and changes in his genitalia.

You have described something that exists only very, very rarely. This is not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw Dranesville School Board candidate Robyn Lady marching with trans activist Willow Woycke earlier this week for trans rights. Lady has nothing to say about declining SAT scores or overcrowding in Dranesville schools but at least we know she’s out and proud.

As opposed to republicans focusing on those issues? Has the VDOE released any plan to deal with a decline in SAT scores and over crowding, surely they haven't been preoccupied with just pushing kids back into the closet? Have the republican Candidates for the board released a plan, or are you just holding democrats to different standards? I guess you can just provide a link to the republican plan that surely exists

Exactly. Republicans don’t offer solutions, just discourse and bigotry.

The solution is the vdoe model.

PP posted about SAT decline and overcrowding- how exactly does the VDOE model address either?

If you just follow the freaking model, fcps can stop spending all their time and resources on this nonsense and spend time actually addressing academics.

The model would require FCPS to spend MORE time on this nonsense.

Youngkin should stop trying to hurt vulnerable kids to score political points with his bigoted base and just let the school districts get back to the school year.

Fixed it for you

FCPS should stop trying to assist vulnerable kids to keep secrets from their parents to score political points with their progressive base and let the teachers teach the kids instead of "mold" them into the current agenda.

I favor the kids over the Governor. Sorry, you're "fix" is a bunch of BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw Dranesville School Board candidate Robyn Lady marching with trans activist Willow Woycke earlier this week for trans rights. Lady has nothing to say about declining SAT scores or overcrowding in Dranesville schools but at least we know she’s out and proud.

Still waiting to hear what the republicans have to say about SATs and overcrowding. I'm guessing it will be awhile

I think the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues. Reminder: it is the SB who has focused on the social issues and made dramatic changes in the way schools work.

For example: biological boys will now be in FLE with girls. How does this make sense? Maybe, just have the trans kids skip this part.

If you read the new policy--teachers are no longer supposed to have boys and girls line up separately. Sure, you can say "everyone in red" get here and "blue" there. But, it is a ridiculous requirement and really unnecessary.

It seems that, in FCPS, the whole structure is being transformed to bow to the Trans community.

But, nothing holds a candle to keeping information from parents.

Source? Do you have any link to their plans?

Read the regulation. It was linked on the first page of this thread.

I see nothing about academics over social issues there, maybe you can link to the section that illustrates "the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues."

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Anonymous wrote:Saw Dranesville School Board candidate Robyn Lady marching with trans activist Willow Woycke earlier this week for trans rights. Lady has nothing to say about declining SAT scores or overcrowding in Dranesville schools but at least we know she’s out and proud.

Still waiting to hear what the republicans have to say about SATs and overcrowding. I'm guessing it will be awhile

I think the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues. Reminder: it is the SB who has focused on the social issues and made dramatic changes in the way schools work.

For example: biological boys will now be in FLE with girls. How does this make sense? Maybe, just have the trans kids skip this part.

If you read the new policy--teachers are no longer supposed to have boys and girls line up separately. Sure, you can say "everyone in red" get here and "blue" there. But, it is a ridiculous requirement and really unnecessary.

It seems that, in FCPS, the whole structure is being transformed to bow to the Trans community.

But, nothing holds a candle to keeping information from parents.

Source? Do you have any link to their plans?

Read the regulation. It was linked on the first page of this thread.

I see nothing about academics over social issues there, maybe you can link to the section that illustrates "the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues."

You responded to a different PP. I thought you were asking about the regulation that discusses that you should not separate by gender.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there guidelines for who is allowed to use the restrooms? In other words, are there guidelines to determine who is trans and who is not? What about non-binary? Which restrooms do they use?

Inquiring minds would like to know if middle school boys can just decide one day to use the girls' bathrooms?

Are there specific rules/policies on this?

I have not seen them.

There are no guidelines.

Any boy, or male staff member, at any time or reason can walk into a girls bathroom or locker room in fcps, as long as they claim to feel trans or non binary at that moment.

There is zero gatekeeping and no parent permission or notification required.

If you opt your kid out of FLE or any lesson involving trans information of any kind, FCPS allows your kid to opt themselves back into the lesson without parent notification and in defiance of parent written opt out, according to Dr. Reid at her parent meet and greet last fall at our region 4 high school. Dr. Reid confirmed this is FCPS policy, verbally, not once, but twice in front of an auditorium full of parents.

Putting parent notification in place provides gatekeeping and protection that is beneficial to all students.

FCPS overriding parental opt out and written wishes, and deliberately hiding information from parents, especially given safety risks for female students AND trans students, and given the increased suicide and self harm risks by trans students, is ethically and morally wrong and should be illegal.

In what other situation would a school deliberately hide from parents student information that carried a significant risk of suicide and self harm?

Parents are the ones who will pick up the pieces if something goes wrong, not schools. Parents are part of a childs life for a lifetime, not Dr. Reid or the school board members. Parents are the ones who love, cherish and provide for their children, not Dr. Reid.

Not all families. Look at the ones who want to keep their kids ignorant. They care more about politics than caring for their own kids.

Oh, please.

Parents are the ones who love their children over their lifetimes. And sometimes love means saying no, as well as teaching kids what is popular and trendy is often very wrong with lifetime negative consequences.

Fortunately, our schools try to protect kids from bigots. Unfortunately, they probably are stuck with the bigots until they are 18.

a person who won't listen to anyone whose ideas or beliefs are different from his or her own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, real honest question for those pushing back on Reid's email--Let's say there is a child in 6th grade classroom at your elementary school who has fully socially transitioned from male to female. By all outward appearances, this child looks female. Parents are on board, have signed whatever is required for their child to be addressed by a chosen name and she/her pronouns. The child is not disruptive, asks for no special treatment beyond the norm for any child in the room, and does not engage in any outward advocacy.


In this scenario, what do you see as the problem? What is the concern with that child simply being accepted as they are and being treated like everyone else?

I ask this because I feel like this issue is so often framed as an abstract idea as opposed to being about real children sitting in real classrooms being taught by real teachers. I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to deny that child's (and by extension, their parents') right to be the person they believe themselves to be. How is that less disruptive to the educational environment you say you are focused on that simply accepting the, as they are and focusing on learning?

The issue would be that biological male using the female restroom or playing on any girls’ teams or being allowed in any girls only club/event. Other than that, I really don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, real honest question for those pushing back on Reid's email--Let's say there is a child in 6th grade classroom at your elementary school who has fully socially transitioned from male to female. By all outward appearances, this child looks female. Parents are on board, have signed whatever is required for their child to be addressed by a chosen name and she/her pronouns. The child is not disruptive, asks for no special treatment beyond the norm for any child in the room, and does not engage in any outward advocacy.

In this scenario, what do you see as the problem? What is the concern with that child simply being accepted as they are and being treated like everyone else?

I ask this because I feel like this issue is so often framed as an abstract idea as opposed to being about real children sitting in real classrooms being taught by real teachers. I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to deny that child's (and by extension, their parents') right to be the person they believe themselves to be. How is that less disruptive to the educational environment you say you are focused on that simply accepting the, as they are and focusing on learning?

FCPS wants zero gatekeeping and zero parent envolvement.

FCPS is the issue, not the state.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw Dranesville School Board candidate Robyn Lady marching with trans activist Willow Woycke earlier this week for trans rights. Lady has nothing to say about declining SAT scores or overcrowding in Dranesville schools but at least we know she’s out and proud.

As opposed to republicans focusing on those issues? Has the VDOE released any plan to deal with a decline in SAT scores and over crowding, surely they haven't been preoccupied with just pushing kids back into the closet? Have the republican Candidates for the board released a plan, or are you just holding democrats to different standards? I guess you can just provide a link to the republican plan that surely exists

Exactly. Republicans don’t offer solutions, just discourse and bigotry.

The solution is the vdoe model.

PP posted about SAT decline and overcrowding- how exactly does the VDOE model address either?

If you just follow the freaking model, fcps can stop spending all their time and resources on this nonsense and spend time actually addressing academics.

The model would require FCPS to spend MORE time on this nonsense.

Youngkin should stop trying to hurt vulnerable kids to score political points with his bigoted base and just let the school districts get back to the school year.

Fixed it for you

FCPS should stop trying to assist vulnerable kids to keep secrets from their parents to score political points with their progressive base and let the teachers teach the kids instead of "mold" them into the current agenda.

I favor the kids over the Governor. Sorry, you're "fix" is a bunch of BS.

And the governor's policy protects the kids.

FCPS policy works against the safety and well being of vulnerable kids by deliberately excluding parents and isolating kids from their parents.

If you want the best policy for kids, you want Youngkin's policy.

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Without the parents, fcps can shape and mold the children directly, and you may not agree with their values or political leanings

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Anonymous wrote:Saw Dranesville School Board candidate Robyn Lady marching with trans activist Willow Woycke earlier this week for trans rights. Lady has nothing to say about declining SAT scores or overcrowding in Dranesville schools but at least we know she’s out and proud.

Still waiting to hear what the republicans have to say about SATs and overcrowding. I'm guessing it will be awhile

I think the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues. Reminder: it is the SB who has focused on the social issues and made dramatic changes in the way schools work.

For example: biological boys will now be in FLE with girls. How does this make sense? Maybe, just have the trans kids skip this part.

If you read the new policy--teachers are no longer supposed to have boys and girls line up separately. Sure, you can say "everyone in red" get here and "blue" there. But, it is a ridiculous requirement and really unnecessary.

It seems that, in FCPS, the whole structure is being transformed to bow to the Trans community.

But, nothing holds a candle to keeping information from parents.

Source? Do you have any link to their plans?

Read the regulation. It was linked on the first page of this thread.

I see nothing about academics over social issues there, maybe you can link to the section that illustrates "the Republicans are talking about academics over social issues."

The Republican candidate for the newly redistricted Springfield District, Debra Tisler, has a strong education excellence focused platform. She stresses literacy, improved accurate grading standards, parent and community involvement, FAPE compliance, school safety, teacher support, and parent advocy, to summarize.

She is a parent advocate with a background in special ed. She is a former elementary school teacher with a masters in special ed. She is a FCPS parent. She is an excellent choice for school board.

https://debraforschoolboard.com/

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Anonymous wrote:What is a SEL screener?

It is a survey about very intimate topics given to students with the data collected and maintained by a third party for profit company with distant ties to facebook. The survey and results are not private, as the data is tied to the specific minor FCPS student and their school issued computers. Basically it allows the private company to monetize intimate student information, which is a complete violation of their rights and data privacy.

FCPS has chosen to make this invasive survey automatic, unless the parents opt out.

Here is the opt out link for APS. You can also click through to the website of company who does the test, download a copy and decide what you think of this for your child.


https://www.apsva.us/mental-health/social-emotional-learning/#:~:text=The%20SEL%20survey%20is%20conducted,Self%2DManagement%20and%20Social%20Awareness.&text=The%20Social%20Emotional%20Learning%20Survey,independent%20research%20organization%20Panorama%20Education.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a SEL screener?

It is a survey about very intimate topics given to students with the data collected and maintained by a third party for profit company with distant ties to facebook. The survey and results are not private, as the data is tied to the specific minor FCPS student and their school issued computers. Basically it allows the private company to monetize intimate student information, which is a complete violation of their rights and data privacy.

FCPS has chosen to make this invasive survey automatic, unless the parents opt out.

Here is the opt out link for APS. You can also click through to the website of company who does the test, download a copy and decide what you think of this for your child.


https://www.apsva.us/mental-health/social-emotional-learning/#:~:text=The%20SEL%20survey%20is%20conducted,Self%2DManagement%20and%20Social%20Awareness.&text=The%20Social%20Emotional%20Learning%20Survey,independent%20research%20organization%20Panorama%20Education.

Download the test here https://www.panoramaed.com/

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, real honest question for those pushing back on Reid's email--Let's say there is a child in 6th grade classroom at your elementary school who has fully socially transitioned from male to female. By all outward appearances, this child looks female. Parents are on board, have signed whatever is required for their child to be addressed by a chosen name and she/her pronouns. The child is not disruptive, asks for no special treatment beyond the norm for any child in the room, and does not engage in any outward advocacy.

In this scenario, what do you see as the problem? What is the concern with that child simply being accepted as they are and being treated like everyone else?

I ask this because I feel like this issue is so often framed as an abstract idea as opposed to being about real children sitting in real classrooms being taught by real teachers. I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to deny that child's (and by extension, their parents') right to be the person they believe themselves to be. How is that less disruptive to the educational environment you say you are focused on that simply accepting the, as they are and focusing on learning?

Nothing. (If it's a HS kid then I would say they shouldn't be playing girl sports and should be offered a private changing room vs communal lockers.)

The BIGGEST part of the problem with FCPS's guidelines & where they depart dramatically from the state's model ones is that FCPS believes it is fine to keep things secret from parents. I fundamentally disagree with that and think FCPS shouldn't be building in rules instructing staff to keep this info from parents. That's the main fix that needs to happen; the bathroom & sports stuff it's debatable but plausible FCPS can point to the grey areas in federal law/regs now as a reason not to change on those.

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The BIGGEST part of the problem with FCPS's guidelines & where they depart dramatically from the state's model ones is that FCPS believes it is fine to keep things secret from parents. I fundamentally disagree with that and think FCPS shouldn't be building in rules instructing staff to keep this info from parents. That's the main fix that needs to happen; the bathroom & sports stuff it's debatable but plausible FCPS can point to the grey areas in federal law/regs now as a reason not to change on those.

+1 This is totally unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, real honest question for those pushing back on Reid's email--Let's say there is a child in 6th grade classroom at your elementary school who has fully socially transitioned from male to female. By all outward appearances, this child looks female. Parents are on board, have signed whatever is required for their child to be addressed by a chosen name and she/her pronouns. The child is not disruptive, asks for no special treatment beyond the norm for any child in the room, and does not engage in any outward advocacy.

In this scenario, what do you see as the problem? What is the concern with that child simply being accepted as they are and being treated like everyone else?

I ask this because I feel like this issue is so often framed as an abstract idea as opposed to being about real children sitting in real classrooms being taught by real teachers. I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to deny that child's (and by extension, their parents') right to be the person they believe themselves to be. How is that less disruptive to the educational environment you say you are focused on that simply accepting the, as they are and focusing on learning?

Do you know any sixth graders like this? "Socially transitioned?" Are you familiar with sixth graders? Do you realize that their bodies are rapidly changing? A sixth grade trans girl who is "socially transitioned" is going to begin to have a deepening voice. Depending on his maturity, he/she is going to have body hair begin to grow and changes in his genitalia.

You have described something that exists only very, very rarely. This is not reality.

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- under the bolded part of the scenario, the Virginia DOE policy would be to treat that child exactly like the parents specified, pronouns and new name.

Why is the DOE such a problem? (hint: it’s not a problem. It is fair and respectful).

FCPS needs to stop this ridiculous tantrum and follow state guidelines.