School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense. |
Anonymous
Even if true, school responses to threats of violence will need to involve administration and a security officer. |
Anonymous
|
On or about November 16, 2021, days prior to the actual incident, multiple concerned parents provided communications to Defendant WOLF with concerns about threats to students made on social media,” the lawsuit reads.
“The parents’ communications to WOLF in part stated, ‘I know it’s been investigated but my kid doesn’t feel safe at school,’ ‘He didn’t even want to go back to school today.’” Wolf is said to have responded to parents that same day and saying, “I know I’m being redundant here, but there is absolutely no threat at the HS…large assumptions were made from a few social media posts, then the assumptions evolved into exaggerated rumors.” It was not clear from the lawsuit which social media posts were the focus of the parents’ appeal, but the lawsuit notes that both Wolf and Throne were made aware of threatening social media posts by Crumbley prior to the attack. A post on Crumbley’s Twitter account on the eve of the attack apparently went unnoticed: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow Oxford,” it read. https://www.thedailybeast.com/oxford-high-school-lawsuits-detail-parents-pleas-before-alleged-shooting-by-ethan-crumbley?ref=home&via=twitter_page |
Anonymous
|
I am very surprised at the mom of the child with Aspergers speculating here, and several people agreeing with her speculation.
This kid asked to do his homework while waiting 90 minutes for his parents to arrive. He knew exactly how to alter his drawing to make it more "acceptable" in the eyes of the counselors. When questioned, he lied about his intentions to commit violence that afternoon. He concealed whatever emotions he might have been feeling well enough to appear "calm" and fool trained professionals. He hid the fact that he had brought a weapon and ammunition to school, well enough not to get caught. Where's the emotional regulation issue caused by lifetime's lack of support? The trajectory is shockingly cold-blooded and calculated. I don't have a child on the spectrum but I have worked with many. This kid was absolutely able to tune in to other people's perspectives. If he IS on the spectrum, he has picked up theory-of-mind skills amazingly well. I don't see it at all and I find that sort of comment very harmful. Am surprised the mother of a child on the spectrum would make it. |
Anonymous
😳. I had heard that some kids stayed home that day because of rumors of violence. I wondered if their concerns were ever reported to the admins. Now we know, and it is so, so sad. |
Anonymous
But they do not. And parents like these only amp up the "retaliation theories", whether the bullying is real, or imagined (by the parents). The parents need to raise their kids. Period. This kid should have been taken out of this house by CPS, long ago. Not sure if that would have helped the situation, but it could not have made it any worse, seeing who was (not) raising him. |
Anonymous
+1 Problem parents fly off the handle to try to deflect from their own problem children - students have gotten harsher penalties for much, much, much lesser "offenses". Admins need to take their schools back from these destructive, time consuming parents. 90 minutes to come get your kid? Who do you think you are "teaching a lesson" by doing that?? When 1/3 of your school stays home in light of a viable deadly threat, time to do something, admins. |
Anonymous
PP here. I agree with you but want to say again that I think schools need to involve an administrator and security officer every time there's a threat of violence-- whether student is served through special education or not. I work part-time in a system that has had that approach for years. Maybe because Oxford is a small system, they have been used to a more low key response. They need to change. |
Anonymous
PP here. I agree. But, the issue is that the troublemaker parents dictate to the administration and tie the administration's hands through threats about "protections" of their troublemaker kids. FCPS does this, and they are not the only one. The administration/s need/s to be more able to bypass the troublemaker parents. The troublemaker parents learn early and often how to work the system, in order to keep the troublemaker kids in school, because the troublemaker parents don't want to deal with their own kids, much like what happened in this shooter case. When (not if) troublemaker kid assaults another student, the administration closes ranks to downplay the issue - because after years of dealing with troublemaker parents, the administration knows darn well which kids have minimally or UNADDRESSED anger issues, and how the troublemaker parents will (over react. After all, where do you think the troublemaker kids learn their behaviors (again, much like this particular shooter). The troublemaker parents don't want anyone to know - but it is glaringly obvious who is who. The troublemaker parents want to go on with their head in the sand, and the administration is happy to accommodate. There are county police and school security rendered useless, because the assailant parents know how to work the system - these parents are literally known to the police, security team, and administration. That is how bad it is, IRL. Of course, none of those involved are going to admit this, because the troublemaker parents are so vindictive and uncooperative - just like their kids are. In short, they think they are above the law, so they point the finger elsewhere. Unfortunately, for the majority of the students, not everyone can afford private school, where apparently this is not tolerated. But it most certainly is tolerated and enabled in public schools. |
Anonymous
| And so what is your solution to this, PP? School vouchers? |
Anonymous
Beyond just these measures affecting the parents, can we all agree schools must have SROs?? Th is is just so obvious, yet some schools here fired all their SROs in the name of “equity.” |
Anonymous
Where did the school voucher comment come from? School should take seriously any violent threat and transfer kids to alternative schools. |
Anonymous
DP here. My guess is that school shootings at private schools are incredibly rare. But realistically, all school shootings are incredibly rare events, and your child stands a greater chance of being struck by lightning than shot in a school. There is a real paranoia - as in an irrational, illogical fear - of our own child being at risk from a school shooting. The risk of dying from a car crash on the way to school is far far higher. This whole thing is driven by media sensationalism. Examine the numbers for yourself and make rational decisions. |
Anonymous
There should be no risk. We have become too lenient in addressing physically aggressive, violent, and emotionally disturbed individuals. |
Anonymous
“No risk” is not a reasonable goal. But the US Surgeon General just published a report proving there is an unprecedented mental health crisis among our youth. That is a fact. Phones are a major cause, especially when paired with dangerous social media like TikTok and Instagram. Add in the isolation of Covid and it’s obviously the perfect mix for damaging a generation. The kids are not alright. |