New Elon Jewish take

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Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

Ridiculous. He's banned thousands of people who spoke truths - that he didn't like.

Who has he banned and why?

Solid evidence please, not conspiracy theories.

Andrew Anglin and Nick Fuentes are two people that were initially restored then permanently banned under the Musk regime.

Nick was banned for posting an infographic of Jewish representation in media: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ali-alexander-nick-fuentes-rebanned-twitter-1234668251/

Anglin was apparently banned for misogyny: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/neo-nazi-andrew-anglin-twitter-rife-misogyny-1234671105/

"Anglin’s hatred of women is readily apparent, but his torrent of misogynistic tweets is at least partially calculated. “I’m still testing what content plays on Twitter,” he wrote recently. “So far, it’s anti-woman stuff and self-help material. I’m fine with that.”"

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

You can't maintain your own religion and say you're assimilated? So that's it, all Jews have to become Christians now because our ancestors moved to America? Does that rule go for people of other religions, too, or just Jews?

Besides that, the vast majority of American Jews only speak English and don't use another legal system, education system, or "etc.," whatever that is supposed to include. I agree with you that Hasidic communities are not assimilated, and many of them do have their own parallel quasi-governments. (They agree with you that I should basically become a Christian, but that's a different point.) But they're a tiny fraction of American Jews.

Also, many, many Americans still identify by whatever their ethnic heritage is, including Germans, so I think your whole point here is misguided, at best. And Jews have been persecuted over the years regardless of how assimilated they were or weren't. In Nazi Germany, most Jews were as assimilated as they are here now, and had been in the country for many generations. In the Soviet Union, Jews basically didn't even practice their religion, but their documents marked them as Jewish because they had different ethnic origins from other Soviet peoples, so they were still discriminated against.

As for the risks of assimilation, you clearly don't seem to understand anything about the conflict in Israel and Palestine -- Palestinians aren't being murdered and forced out because they didn't assimilate. In Gaza, assimilation isn't even remotely an option, and in the West Bank, too, none of the settlers wants Palestinians to assimilate and become Israeli. The current situation in Palestine has to do with Israel's insane decision to dig in and expand an occupation of land seized in a war rather than allow Palestine to establish its own state, and with the dominance in Gaza of terrorist groups like Hamas that are determined to fight rather than force Israel to make peace through other means.

I can't tell if you're merely ignorant or just antisemitic, but you're spouting complete nonsense on many different fronts here.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

So any American who is non Christian has not assimilated or speaks two languages hasn’t assimilated?

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

Do Catholics assimilate? Can you tell who Catholics are? Do they congregate together? Do they have their own schools? Do they wear a marker of their Catholicism around their neck?

Had never imagined I wasn’t “assimilated” after 6 generations not being in the US but apparently that will never be the case as long as I have “my own” religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

Especially when they’re used against Elon.

Who apparently does not believe in free speech for Media Matters. Funny.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

The same thing applies to Catholics, right? They've been here for more than a hundred years. All those Irish Catholics. All those Italian Catholics. A hundred plus years. And they're still Catholic. Not real Americans like you, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

Do Catholics assimilate? Can you tell who Catholics are? Do they congregate together? Do they have their own schools? Do they wear a marker of their Catholicism around their neck?

Had never imagined I wasn’t “assimilated” after 6 generations not being in the US but apparently that will never be the case as long as I have “my own” religion.

Let me flip the question on you and the other "what about meeeee?" posters: What are the defining characteristics of an American? If you can't define an American, then you're not going to understand what assimilation is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

Do Catholics assimilate? Can you tell who Catholics are? Do they congregate together? Do they have their own schools? Do they wear a marker of their Catholicism around their neck?

Had never imagined I wasn’t “assimilated” after 6 generations not being in the US but apparently that will never be the case as long as I have “my own” religion.

Let me flip the question on you and the other "what about meeeee?" posters: What are the defining characteristics of an American? If you can't define an American, then you're not going to understand what assimilation is.

Well now I think we’d all like to hear your crazy definition first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

What exactly are you trying to say in this emotional screed?
Are you arguing that Russian Jews did or did not assimilate in Russia?
What was a two-way street?
Are you saying it was right not to assimilate because they would get chased away anyway?

I'm saying that (a) Jews do assimilate more than you're suggesting, (b) that the countries Jews have lived in often won't accept Jews as full parts of broader society regardless of what Jews want or don't want, and (c) varying degrees of assimilation has not, historically, protected Jews from being harassed, killed, or forced out.

You seem to want to be saying that Jews have no ties to any countries that we live in and/or only have true loyalties to ourselves, which is exactly what the people who have frequently done the harassing, killing, and forcing out have so often said. But I'd love it if you can show some evidence that American Jews are "refusing" to assimilate and that we'll move from America to somewhere else one day, other than just the fact that apparently that's our nature.

If Jews live in a country for generations, and can still be identified as Jews, then they have not actually assimilated. It would be like America trying to run off "Germans" today. They simply could not be reliably identified as such as they have become American. No poster here starts with "As a German..." because that's not how they think.

Assimilation goes beyond the superficial. You can't maintain your own language, religion, education system, legal system, etc... and say you are assimilated.

Failure to assimilate carries risks, as you can become "other" easily. We see that happening right now in Palestine, as the "other" is being murdered and forced out as we type.

Do Catholics assimilate? Can you tell who Catholics are? Do they congregate together? Do they have their own schools? Do they wear a marker of their Catholicism around their neck?

Had never imagined I wasn’t “assimilated” after 6 generations not being in the US but apparently that will never be the case as long as I have “my own” religion.

Let me flip the question on you and the other "what about meeeee?" posters: What are the defining characteristics of an American? If you can't define an American, then you're not going to understand what assimilation is.

An American is someone with American citizenship. That is the glory of our nation. That you can be born anywhere and come here and get citizenship and you ARE American. I love that about our country. It is not based on ethnicity or religion or tribal affiliation. It is based on your citizenship. It's truly what makes our country great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

Oh, please do tell me, the descendant of Russian Jews who had to flee to America after bloody pogroms, all about how Jews deliberately identified as Jews not as Russians. You do recognize that was very much a two-way street, right? Russia/Poland/Portugal have all, at various times, decided very violently that their Jewish neighbors don't belong, and murdered or chased us away.

But those who left Russia in the 1980s or later didn’t suffer from pogroms.

[Anonymous]

I’d say if you are ticked off by events in a country other than the U.S. (often much more than by domestic events) you haven’t assimilated.
-DP