New Elon Jewish take

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, it is not just a “soros boogeyman man” thing.

Bill Kristol also blatantly was championing replacement theory support a few years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/bill-kristol-asks-if-lazy-pockets-of-white-working/

Essentially, you are arguing that the great replacement theory is correct, right?

Pp you are responding to.

I don’t think it is correct in the “conspiracy theory” sense.

I think it is just a natural desire for any politically active/ conscious minority in any country to support diversity.

A different poster a few pages ago has the most parsimonious take on it — after seeing ethnonationalist states behave in ww2, Jewish people felt it was best that the us never went down that path.

Vivek and Nikki Haley aren’t Jewish - and Vivek isn’t an Israel simp either — but he supports immigration.

Going back to my first sentence, the reason why you don’t see activists in East Asia do the same is you never really had a politically active and conscious minority with a voice like there was in Europe, the new world or MENA.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

You speak of Jews as if they are a monolith. They aren't. Countless number of Jews view themselves as Americans first. You are dangerously close to the antisemitic "rootless cosmopolitan" trope.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

Refusal to assimilate is one of the key aspects of preserving a Jewish identity over the ages. The Jews of America come from Russia, Poland, and a dozen other countries, but they identify as Jews not as Russian/Polish/Etc. That's because they never were Russian, or Polish, or Portuguese.

At some point, the Jews of America will move on to somewhere else. They will then be Jewish in China, Israel, India. etc... They will not be Americans in those countries.

This is how they preserve their Jewish identity despite not having lived in Judea for two millennia.

You speak of Jews as if they are a monolith. They aren't. Countless number of Jews view themselves as Americans first. You are dangerously close to the antisemitic "rootless cosmopolitan" trope.

…and even the ones who might describe themselves as Jewish first are still Americans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% on the side of Israel & Jewish people. I’m sickened by the protests in the US & around the world.

I am not Jewish but have Jewish relatives, all of whom leaned Left politically. I have told them for years that they are asking for trouble by aligning themselves with the Left. The Left exploits Jews just as they exploit blacks. They want your votes but don’t care about you. Communists will quickly turn on Jews. And as we have seen, American Democrats have a seething hatred for Jews.

Like it or not, the best friends the Jewish people and Israel have are American conservatives. I know it is a shock to many Jews to even think about that, but you have to get past your prior assumptions. It’s not the conservative or evangelical or Catholic students who are hassling Jewish students on college campuses & tearing down posters with hostages’ pictures on them. Actions speak louder than words.

That's just not true. Conservatives might support Israel - but they are not our friends on anything else.

Biden is doing a good job with Israel.

Great, keep your head buried in the sand. You are as gullible as a beaten wife who thinks her husband really loves her. Biden is a figurehead who pretends to back Israel but tells THEM to calm down & be careful of hurting civilians! Your own stubborn hubris will be your downfall. 100% of people chanting “From the river to the sea” voted Democrat. Yeah, side with them. Smart move.

Trump ate dinner with a Nazi and called the Charlottesville marchers very fine people.

My head isn't in the sand. And I don't have any words for you about Biden being a figurehead - he's not. And in fact I think he's the best president of my 50-year lifetime. I'm worried looking at the people on the far left - and even those who aren't - who do seem to be showing their true colors WRT how they feel about people like me. But they aren't in power. And gd willing they won't be.

Like I said, I'm glad the conservatives at least like Israel even if they hate lots of the rest of my family and are destructive to others of my interests. Israel isn't my ONLY interest as a Jew or as a person.

You show yourself to be an un-serious person if you still believe Trump called the Charlottesville Nazis fine people. Listen to the full clip. He said he was referring to people who didn’t want the statues harmed, NOT the Nazis. This has been explained millions of times. Strike one.

Biden’s not a figurehead? Strike two.

Your kid is being pushed around by Democrats on a college campus. Trump is happy that his favorite daughter married a Jew. You weigh these two truths & decide it’s the Democrats who really like Jews. Strike three!

Congratulations! You win the Self-Destructive Gullible Moron of the Year Award!

YOU are the unserious person here. The Charlottesville march in support of the confederate statues WAS ORGANIZED BY neo-Nazis, white supremacists and neo-Confederates and primarily was broadcast via neo-Nazi, white supremacist and neo-Confederate facebook pages and social media. An overwhelming majority of attendees were openly displaying neo-Nazi and white supremacist signs, flags and symbols. There weren't any "fine people" there among them. Don't dare try and whitewash and downplay Charlottesville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, it is not just a “soros boogeyman man” thing.

Bill Kristol also blatantly was championing replacement theory support a few years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/bill-kristol-asks-if-lazy-pockets-of-white-working/

Schroedinger's Immigrant: Somehow simultaneously "lazy and mooching benefits paid for by hard-working Americans" yet somehow also "stealing jobs from Americans" because they are hard-working and demonstrate hustle to try and support themselves.

It's truly weird how so many people never actually pause to think about the glaring inconsistencies in the talking points they run around repeating everywhere.

[Anonymous]

In watching the chaotic ride of Tesla stock, taking one hit after another every time dumb Elon opens his fat gob, along with the exodus of advertisers from Twitter causing its revenue to tank, one wonders about the qualifications of the well-compensated people who sit on these corporate boards. Clearly any requirement to have some rationality, good judgement and a spine is non-existent. It just reinforces that corporate boards are just a sham "who-you-know" network of rich buddies enriching themselves, with zero values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

Ridiculous. He's banned thousands of people who spoke truths - that he didn't like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

Musk has a passing acquaintance with reality. His idea of truth is seriously impaired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon didn’t say anything wrong.

The left just cannot process their inability to control speech on x.

+100

Elon spoke the truth.

And he's kept his word to ensure free speech on X. Those Community Notes are awesome.

Ridiculous. He's banned thousands of people who spoke truths - that he didn't like.

Who has he banned and why?

Solid evidence please, not conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What doesn’t make any sense to me is why would Jews be interested in having minorities replace whites? Jews are white?
Could someone please explain the twisted logic behind this?

Some people believe that Jews want minorities to replace whites in historically white countries so that white people can never repeat the events of Germany in the 1930s-40s. The idea is that Jews want the collective power of white people to be diluted. Diverse societies are less likely to unite. See the studies that show that diverse workplaces are less likely to form unions.

DP. Forgive me for quoting absurd things but I’ve heard a version where “Jews don’t consider non whites as smart and driven so there is less competition for them to rule”.
But I think it’s futile to look for logic there except maybe some very twisted one

[Anonymous]

You can be anti Soros without being a Jew hater. Soros does in fact cause a lot of damage to our country, look at all the idiotic woke prosecutors that have been funded by his organization and wreak havoc on our cities. However it’s not right to blame the Jewish community for the actions of one rich ahole with a god complex. Unfortunately his actions have contributed to a rise in antisemitism due to his Jewish heritage, as illogical as it might be

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can be anti Soros without being a Jew hater. Soros does in fact cause a lot of damage to our country, look at all the idiotic woke prosecutors that have been funded by his organization and wreak havoc on our cities. However it’s not right to blame the Jewish community for the actions of one rich ahole with a god complex. Unfortunately his actions have contributed to a rise in antisemitism due to his Jewish heritage, as illogical as it might be

Some very good points there but Musk wasn't talking about Soros. His main beef was with ADL, whose agenda has been hijacked under the current ED.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:I would say unbelievably, but sadly this is par for the course, the ADL is now praising Musk because he is willing to look out for Israel's interests. Just as John Hagee managed to find his way to the stage at the recent demonstration despite his antisemitism, Musk's antisemitism will also apparently be overlooked:

If you are a billionaire you get a pass being antisemitic. If you are a poor student from Harvard forget it. Can't even be antizionist.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-ackman-defends-elon-musk-170125551.html