Very pretty, educated and successful 30-something women single or with unattractive and/or unsuccessful men?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

PP has a point. 15-20 years of failed relationships has to have some sort of effect on a woman.

So do pregnancy and childbirth and being married to a lout.

The lowest divorce rates are for marriages in the age range 28-32. Plenty of time for Plan B for the town bicycle.

+1

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A wealthy man doesn't get any value from a "successful" woman. Hea already successful. He wants a caring woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Three common situations. One or more of these likely applies to your daughter's friends:

1. They were focused on school/degrees/careers and didn't make time to date. By the time they did, the "good guys" were all taken.
2. They had higher standards than they could match with. This happens to a lot of above average types in various ways, both men and women. They know that they are above average in looks, intelligence, wealth, career, whatever, and they set a standard that they want to match with. The problem is that the standard they set has fewer candidates and those candidates don't want to match with them. And so they hold out for that standard and those partners aren't interested in them.
3. They are too high maintenance. Many above average in intelligence or looks (of both genders) are extremely high maintenance. They go on a lot of dates, even some second dates, but they have problems getting into LTR and sometimes even STR because they are too high maintenance. Too many restrictions and must dos and need to haves and eventually even the best "prize" is not worth the effort.

Good post.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope Hicks is nearly 35. Still childless and unmarried. It is an epidemic. There are so few good men out there.

She has a “hard” face

There is nothing attractive about her

It’s why she was dating a 50+ year old

Lol, you wish you were a tenth as hot as Hope Hicks. You're letting your political bias sway you - she is a 9.5, especially in DC.

+1. Hope Hicks is a 30-something 9 if not a 10 in most places in the U.S. The fact she dates losers or older men is what OP picked up on: The dating pool is bleak for attractive and successful women in their 30s, which leads to 30-something women settling for underachieving and unattractive men — or remaining single and childless.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

If you have never had a baby (been pregnant, given birth) how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Your body changes, statistically you lose money because employers don’t take you as seriously or you take time off, attending classes (for any level, PHD, masters, or high school) is much more difficult when having a baby. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

Hi again-

No the pill doesn’t create baggage any more than a guy jerking off and losing his sperm creates baggage. Do men cry because of “lost sperm” when they are in the shower? I didn’t know.

Plan B doesn’t create baggage any more than using a condom does because they both block conception.

Abortion can go either way. Some women probably feel bad, but you don’t get to be the judge of how women feel about a very personal decision. For many women, it is the best choice for them at the time. If my Mom hadn’t had one, I wouldn’t exist.

A stressful career/student loan debt can create baggage on men and women equally in fact men are more likely to become rude to others when they experience stress.

I guess if guys want to become first time dads at 40+, they can, but it does get harder to bend down to pick up kids and toys as you get older!

You are free to choose whatever age they want, but the idea that these are reasons to be “put off women” belongs to you. Life gets to everyone and thinking that only those “clear of baggage” are worthy of love is a sure way to hate yourself as you get older.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

Shame on YOU. Not everyone who requires an abortion suffers lifelong trauma. How dare you try to induce it in women who are at peace with their rightful and reasonable decision.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

Funny. If you think that birth control and paying for a graduate degree are insurmountable baggage you aren’t much of a man. Real men pluck these women and pay their loans without a second thought. If they marry women in their 20s they wind up paying for their degrees together anyway. My husband paid my 6-figure medical school loans when I was 35, because he was a grown up earning a real salary with real earning capacity.

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Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

So by “clean slate” you mean uneducated virgin with no earning potential?

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Anonymous wrote:Hope Hicks is nearly 35. Still childless and unmarried. It is an epidemic. There are so few good men out there.

She has a “hard” face

There is nothing attractive about her

It’s why she was dating a 50+ year old

Lol, you wish you were a tenth as hot as Hope Hicks. You're letting your political bias sway you - she is a 9.5, especially in DC.

+1. Hope Hicks is a 30-something 9 if not a 10 in most places in the U.S. The fact she dates losers or older men is what OP picked up on: The dating pool is bleak for attractive and successful women in their 30s, which leads to 30-something women settling for underachieving and unattractive men — or remaining single and childless.

I think part of this is by choice—someone like Hope Hicks has options to be set up with great men even into their 30s because of family connections. Hope Hicks’ older sister was in her 30s when she married a childhood family friend from Greenwich who works in finance and is her age.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

I wanted one and did not get it. Unplanned pregnancy in a bad marriage: second biggest regret of my life. I regret not getting an abortion I wanted almost every day. An unwanted pregnancy destroyed the trajectory of my life and I will never get over it.

Most women are relieved if they have an abortion because they don’t want to to pregnant or raise a child. How dare you assume all women want to do this. I knew at age 12 I never wanted to.

Statistics also bear out that most women do not regret or have trauma from an abortion.

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And shame on you for assuming women have lifelong trauma from it. You have no idea what you are talking about. That myth has been debunked in academic research.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

Funny. If you think that birth control and paying for a graduate degree are insurmountable baggage you aren’t much of a man. Real men pluck these women and pay their loans without a second thought. If they marry women in their 20s they wind up paying for their degrees together anyway. My husband paid my 6-figure medical school loans when I was 35, because he was a grown up earning a real salary with real earning capacity.

+1

I don’t see any baggage from that list.
And relationships aren’t failures if they don’t end in marriage. I was engaged in my 20s. I did not want to get married so I ended it. I was engaged again in early 30s and still did not want to get married but pressure got to me and I did it. Mistake. Not getting married is not a failure. Sometimes it is the right decision. Nothing wrong with an independent woman who has her own education and finances to live happily single.