Very pretty, educated and successful 30-something women single or with unattractive and/or unsuccessful men?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

Shame on YOU. Not everyone who requires an abortion suffers lifelong trauma. How dare you try to induce it in women who are at peace with their rightful and reasonable decision.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

You are nuts. I married at 32. I never took plan B.

I have been in the pill a total of 23 years in my life.

Never had an abortion.

And abortion is not trauma: it is a relief from an unplanned pregnancy that ruins your life.

If you’ve never had an abortion, how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Shame on you.

If you have never had a baby (been pregnant, given birth) how dare you minimize the lifelong trauma it can cause. Your body changes, statistically you lose money because employers don’t take you as seriously or you take time off, attending classes (for any level, PHD, masters, or high school) is much more difficult when having a baby. Shame on you.

+1 exactly!

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Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope Hicks is nearly 35. Still childless and unmarried. It is an epidemic. There are so few good men out there.

She has a “hard” face

There is nothing attractive about her

It’s why she was dating a 50+ year old

Lol, you wish you were a tenth as hot as Hope Hicks. You're letting your political bias sway you - she is a 9.5, especially in DC.

+1. Hope Hicks is a 30-something 9 if not a 10 in most places in the U.S. The fact she dates losers or older men is what OP picked up on: The dating pool is bleak for attractive and successful women in their 30s, which leads to 30-something women settling for underachieving and unattractive men — or remaining single and childless.

If hope hicks is 10 then what’s Sydney Sweeney?

A 30?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah, the guy couldn’t be dating a 25-year-old because she’s hotter, more youthful and more fertile (qualities that men have valued since time immemorial). It must be that he is intimidated by the 35-year-old.

Middle-age woman cope is really a sight to behold!

I think it boils down to the early and mid 30s “girl boss” women — even if they are still very attractive — just tend to have a lot of baggage and hangups. Not their fault. How can you not have a lot of baggage and trauma if you’ve been unsuccessfully dating men for 15 to 20 years. Plus decades of birth control screwing up your hormones, maybe an abortion, and all the stress that comes with a career, which requires you to be a bit pushy and elbowy.

What a misogynist!

Oh and birth control didn't screw up my hormones and also made it so I never needed an abortion.

If a woman in her 30s and both single and childless, after four years of undergrad, X years of advanced degrees, a career in a major city, and various boyfriends and hookups through the years, it is very likely she’s been on birth control off and on for upwards of 20 years and possibly has had an abortion. BC is not 100% and women go off it from time to time, especially when single.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, this is all BAGGAGE.

Ok now I know you are nuts. No, most women on bc have not had an abortion, and most women have not had an abortion. And whether or not she has had one or been on birth control is not baggage in the least. It’s basic human hygiene. This is like saying that thirty years of brushing your teeth is baggage. Ludicrous.

We are not talking about “most women,” the cohort the thread is about are successful 30-something girl bosses. The thread has digressed into single 30-something women who are unmarried and childless. If you get to such an advanced age without a marriage or baby, safe bet some history of BC, Plan B, and/or an abortion. They are not “hygiene” and they do impact your body and mind.

BS. You have no idea what you were talking about.

You apparently don’t know realize how the pill and Plan B works? And you think women who get abortions just forget about it afterwards? It’s permanent trauma. Failed relationships and hookups for 15 or 20 years are also a lot of trauma. It all takes a toll on you. This baggage impacts your hormones, your appearance, your disposition and personality and it all repels men. You can be in denial if you want to. It’s the truth. Marry young if you want to avoid this.

Be warned ladies, the scarlet letter is upon you because of birth control and hook ups. No maiden’s tale hat necessary, not for these gents! Bwahahahahahahha!

Do you really think:

- 15 years of failed relationships
- 15 years on the pill
- sporadic use of Plan B
- an abortion
- stressful career
- student loan debt
- fertility clock ticking

Have no impact on you as a person? Really? Do you think every 33 year old bachelorette is a clean slate? You are in denial if you don’t acknowledge this all creates baggage. This is why the successful men are likely put off by women their age and instead go for women in their mid and late 20s. Less baggage, less hangups, not as pushy and high maintenance.

Funny. If you think that birth control and paying for a graduate degree are insurmountable baggage you aren’t much of a man. Real men pluck these women and pay their loans without a second thought. If they marry women in their 20s they wind up paying for their degrees together anyway. My husband paid my 6-figure medical school loans when I was 35, because he was a grown up earning a real salary with real earning capacity.

"Real men pay all women's bills" is just man-shaming. Pay your own bills.

[Anonymous]

OP’s story makes sense.

This may not have applied in previous years, so everyone old doesn’t need to chime in with how it was in 2005 when dear Harold and Martha paired up or something like that.

In 2023, it’s so easy for top-tier men in any large city to have consistent and ongoing casual sex that it’s the second tier that get into relationships, usually with the top tier women who are ready to settle down.

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Anonymous wrote:OP’s story makes sense.

This may not have applied in previous years, so everyone old doesn’t need to chime in with how it was in 2005 when dear Harold and Martha paired up or something like that.

In 2023, it’s so easy for top-tier men in any large city to have consistent and ongoing casual sex that it’s the second tier that get into relationships, usually with the top tier women who are ready to settle down.

What did you write about first and second tiers? Please, re-write it more concisely

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Anonymous wrote:Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

+1. Because the options are single and childless -or- settling for an unattractive and/or unsuccessful man. There is something so gross and sad about settling. You can always tell they are not truly happy. Then they inevitably divorce and wake up and they're 40, either still childless or with a kid or two by a dad they could never stand.

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Anonymous wrote:OP’s story makes sense.

This may not have applied in previous years, so everyone old doesn’t need to chime in with how it was in 2005 when dear Harold and Martha paired up or something like that.

In 2023, it’s so easy for top-tier men in any large city to have consistent and ongoing casual sex that it’s the second tier that get into relationships, usually with the top tier women who are ready to settle down.

+1. The Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers are also the ones claiming they never used Plan B. Of course, because it wasn't available in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s! I don't even know if it was readily available in the early 00s. It became readily available in the last 10 to 15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

+1. Because the options are single and childless -or- settling for an unattractive and/or unsuccessful man. There is something so gross and sad about settling. You can always tell they are not truly happy. Then they inevitably divorce and wake up and they're 40, either still childless or with a kid or two by a dad they could never stand.

The attractive, educated and successful women I know are all married. The unmarried one ….well it is pretty obvious why they did not marry.

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Anonymous wrote:Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

+1. Because the options are single and childless -or- settling for an unattractive and/or unsuccessful man. There is something so gross and sad about settling. You can always tell they are not truly happy. Then they inevitably divorce and wake up and they're 40, either still childless or with a kid or two by a dad they could never stand.

There is a huge disconnect between the genders on what makes a woman attractive. As a guy, it is my experience that truly beautiful women always have their pick of guys. I have never seen a really attractive woman struggle to get a successful man if that is what she wanted.

Most women (and men) over 30 are fat and unattractive. I have also never seen a beautiful woman intentionally raising a child on her own. I have seen lots of women over 30 who used to be cute settle for a dud.

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Anonymous wrote:OP’s story makes sense.

This may not have applied in previous years, so everyone old doesn’t need to chime in with how it was in 2005 when dear Harold and Martha paired up or something like that.

In 2023, it’s so easy for top-tier men in any large city to have consistent and ongoing casual sex that it’s the second tier that get into relationships, usually with the top tier women who are ready to settle down.

Lol sure. Women always settle down with a man who they see as second tier. The problem seems to be all women think every woman is a 10. Reality does not match egos.

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How does OP know the men were underemployed? Did she go around asking them what they did and how much they make?

I’m 34 and make plenty by DCUM standards. I also look homeless when I leave the house, because I DGAF. I shave when I feel like it, get a haircut seldomly because it’s a waste of time, and I dress to be comfortable, not to impress some 35 year old DDs horrible mom

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Anonymous wrote:Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

As it should be

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Anonymous wrote:Many pretty, educated and successful young women in my circle are staying single by choice.

+1. Because the options are single and childless -or- settling for an unattractive and/or unsuccessful man. There is something so gross and sad about settling. You can always tell they are not truly happy. Then they inevitably divorce and wake up and they're 40, either still childless or with a kid or two by a dad they could never stand.

Haven’t read whole thread. What makes a man unsuccessful? Salary less than $300k?