Russia - civil war has broken out
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lol. Well, hopefully the FSB won't choke on your "nothingburger"... "Prigozhin vowed: "We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it." He called Wagner's efforts a "march of justice" amid reports thugs have already passed the first checkpoint on their way to Novocherkassk - where the Russian army headquarters are. And Prigozhin later claimed his Wagner thugs shot down a Russian helicopter which "opened fire on a civilian convoy". Tonight, footage from Moscow showed armoured vehicles racing along the streets - as US officials are "closely watching" events unfold. And roadblocks manned by special forces were set up around the city as military officials launch a desperate bid to secure both the Kremlin and the Duma building, Russia’s parliament Meanwhile, tanks and armoured vehicles were seen in Rostov, an important military outpost in Russia. Earlier footage showed an armoured motorcade whisking Putin to the Kremlin for an emergency meeting. Reports from inside the Kremlin say "panic" has broken out among Putin's elite - with no one able to find the despot." https://www.the-sun.com/news/8446128/russian-tanks-moscow-secure-kremlin-wagner-coup-putin/ |
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Wait and see. They will defeat or most likely “defeat” wagner. As I said remember 1991 and 1993. Everyone in the west was like wow wow historic changes and then what? |
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I don't think so. This might be real. Always wondered wtf Prigozhin was up to. He might be going for it Very interesting moment |
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Oh little cupcake. What do you think is going on in the minds of ordinary Russians right now? Do you think that this will blow over? What will the propagandists say on RT tomorrow? What will the Kremlin say? How will this be covered up when Russians start waking up in a few minutes? Will there be an announcement at 6 AM Moscow time? 8 AM? Noon? How will they explain the tanks? Oh no, sweet little cupcake. They could wipe every Wagner troop the very next second and it won't matter. You see, everyone in Russia was aware that Wagner was recruiting troops in prisons across the country. St. Petersburg had active recruitment in the streets, remember? Russia is invincible. Putin is infallible. The Kremlin is all-knowing and all-wise. The FSB is all-powerful. So how do you think ordinary Russians will feel about what happened last night and today? This is how it starts. The fear. The uncertainty. The distrust of the lies that are told. It will all unravel. But you keep clinging onto that safety blanket of believing this is the same as '93. It's not. You'll see. |
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As I said remember 1991 and 1993. Interesting indeed but in the end a nothingburger. Pretty sure it might be staged but even if not (was 1991 or 1993 staged?) he still stands no chance. |
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| So far, Prigozhin has been able to capitalize on a combination of theatrics, reputation and general discontent that many of the regular troops have with Shoigu and some of the other leadership. |
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I will tell you exactly how ordinary Russians will feel except maybe in Rostov. They won’t care and they will want it to be over asap with minimal disruption to their lives. Look, I am not saying any of the things you are ascribing to me. Nobody and nothing is invincible. But whatever happens in the next few days won’t drastically change anything, alas. If we are lucky we will get closer to peace talks on conditions acceptable to Ukraine. If not, it will all be pretty much the same. Let’s wait 3 days. |
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lol. You just don't get it at all. Of course Prigozhin knows. But that's not the point. Putin is now weak. Feeble. Not in control. And Putin is the only one holding absolute power in Russia. As things spiral further out of control in Russia, there will be panic. Fear. Uncertainty about the future. And I think you're forgetting something... "As of June 18, 2023, 32,000 persons previously convicted and who took part in the special military operation among the ranks of the Wagner PMC went home at the end of their contracts" https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/news/canada/streets-of-russia-awash-with-rapists-killers-back-from-ukraine-war-100866778/ Now do you understand why the FSB is cutting off news about Wagner? |
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I do still believe Russia is on the road to anarchy within two'ish years. However, it won't be because of Prigozhin.
"The Finance Ministry stopped disclosure of high-frequency outlays on its electronic budget portal that previously showed up-to-date information about spending on different categories." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-covers-key-budget-spending-133314811.html "a former adviser at Russia's central bank, told NPR last week that many educated and skilled workers have fled the country" "Russian firms are scaling back or shutting down, she said, citing a recent estimate that 1.3 million young workers left the labor force last year alone." https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/russia-economy-massive-brain-drain-workforce-shortage-ukraine-war-sanctions-2023-6 To compensate, the Russian government turned to the Chinese government to temporarily prop up the Russian economy. "The yuanization of Russia’s foreign trade continues. In April, the Chinese currency was used for a record 23 percent of exports and 31 percent of imports, while the ruble accounted for 38 percent and 28 percent, respectively. So Russia already pays more for imports in yuan than it does in rubles." https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90001 Image: https://i.insider.com/6437faf05f081b0019c0f8f0?width=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp And the Russian government is acutely aware of its economic dependence on China's goodwill. "Russia’s Academy of Sciences (RAS) has opened a research center specializing in the study of Chinese President Xi Jinping's communist teachings" “We need to know and analyze Xi Jinping’s ideas very closely because China today is our main strategic and economic partner,” https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/22/russia-opens-first-xi-jinping-research-center-outside-chinaside-china-a81589 This a familiar pattern (with India), isn't it? But remember that half of the industrial cities were already borderline with social unrest and a good portion of laborers are now fighting in Ukraine versus contributing towards the Russian economy. "The head of Russia's federal crime agency on Saturday suggested that key sectors of the economy should be returned to state ownership to support Moscow's war in Ukraine." "We are essentially talking about economic security in a war," Alexander Bastrykin, head of the Investigative Committee, told a conference that was streamed online. "Let's go along the path of nationalizing the main sectors of our economy." https://www.yahoo.com/news/head-russias-crime-agency-suggests-153238532.html Of the 75 million who are employed, 39 percent work in the state sector and state corporations of Russia and 49 percent are employed in the private sector. However, as noted by political scientist Pavel Luzin, many enterprises that are technically private or mixed sector are de facto under state control. This includes major employers such as the oil company Rosneft or the country’s largest bank, Sberbank, which means that the actual share of the state sector should be closer to 50 percent. Even the Russian Central Bank Governor, considered by many to be a liberal technocrat and the least likely person to advocate for a Soviet economy, seems to be in agreement. “The temptation to manage economic restructuring can lead to [a situation] where we suppress private initiative [by businesses], not to mention the risk of restoring a planned economy,” “It seems that this is impossible since we have a market economy,” she said. “But in fact, all that’s needed is for the state to take upon itself the responsibility of deciding which industries and projects require development, and where to direct financial resources.” https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/15/russia-risks-return-to-planned-economy-central-bank-a81518 https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-economic-forum-st-petersburg-ukraine-60bdb0815be2c5f3e393cd6d9f347ab6 So how does Putin, a ruthless former KGB spy, deal with this economic and social crisis? “Nuclear weapons are created to ensure our security in the broadest sense of the word and the existence of the Russian state. But we, firstly, do not have such a need,” Putin said. But he added: “Extreme means may be used if there is a threat to Russia’s statehood. In this case, we will certainly use all the forces and means that the Russian state has at its disposal.” https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-economic-forum-st-petersburg-ukraine-60bdb0815be2c5f3e393cd6d9f347ab6 “Already about half of the units and formations of the Strategic Missile Forces are equipped with the latest Yars systems, and the troops are being re-equipped with modern missile systems with the Avangard hypersonic warhead,” Mr Putin said. The first Sarmat launchers will be put on combat duty “in the near future” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-putin-nuclear-weapons-latest-b2361298.html "Russian agents reportedly attempted to assassinate a CIA informant on American soil in 2020" "Their target was a former Russian agent whose defection to the United States led to a counterintelligence investigation that resulted in the capture and expulsion of nearly a dozen spies embedded along the US eastern seaboard." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-assassination-attempt-cia-miami-b2360352.html And apparently the Kremlin and rest of the liberal technocrats now realize exactly what situation they're in? Quote from Russia’s former Minister of Economy: “It’s not that we’re in the sh*t, it’s that we’ve decided to settle down in it.” "comment triggered some nervous laughter from the audience, the video shows. One person even applauded" https://theins.ru/en/news/261771 "Senior Russian government members are turning up to meetings drunk as they down vodka, cognac and wine throughout the day" "The Kremlin has doubled its wine allowance for Russian officials" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/18/kremlin-officials-vodka-alcohol-ukraine-russia-war-stress/ And this (combined with the shrinking Russian demographics, local unrest, cultural divides between Russians and Russia's ethnic minorities, alienation of the siloviki, etc.) is why I still believe Russia is on-track towards anarchy within 2'ish years; even if they 'win' in Ukraine (although with the death and destruction that has already occurred, there is no 'winner' in the War in Ukraine). |