Russia - civil war has broken out

[Anonymous]

There are now reports of another Wagner group pushing hard and fast northwards in Voronezh, with some reports of firing exchanged.

[Anonymous]

It's now 6 AM in Moscow. They won't make it to Moscow, but also there's no way for the FSB to cover this up now.

Imagine what will happen if there are open gun battles on the streets. There's no good way for the RT propagandists to spin this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a nothingburger, mark my words. Covering up some losses in Bakhmut and Zaporizh(???) and preparing for a truce, laying blame for “not enough victory” on Prigozhin. Peace talks to start soon.

In Rostov they are now waking up to Wagner tanks and armored vehicles surrounding the headquarters of the Russian Southern Military District.

In 1993 the tanks were near the Parliament. Still a nothingburger for the simple folk.

When the guns are pointed *AT* the military district headquarters, as they are in that video, I'm pretty sure it's not a video of the Russian Army's tanks taking up a defensive posture. Also there are a bunch of other videos showing them surrounding the HQ, with people pointing out that some of the vehicles are custom modified versions only in use by Wagner.

They might or might not fire. Even if they do, I highly doubt they will get far. Not because I think highly of the Russian army but because I don’t think highly of them.
Anyway it’s most likely staged and a distraction. Let’s see.

DP. That's not what that word means.

[Anonymous]

Like this is a surprise to anyone.

This Wagner coup will fail; the guy who takes the second shot may get it done.

Wagner needs a high level of defectors from fsb, national guard or proper military to win.

The ones who want their shot at the throne will wait to see competition weakened then make their move.

It’s a win win. Ukrainians killing Russians; Russians killing Russians is a solid outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like this is a surprise to anyone.

This Wagner coup will fail; the guy who takes the second shot may get it done.

Wagner needs a high level of defectors from fsb, national guard or proper military to win.

The ones who want their shot at the throne will wait to see competition weakened then make their move.

It’s a win win. Ukrainians killing Russians; Russians killing Russians is a solid outcome.

Eh... too early to say

Prigozhin is not an idiot. He's many other things but he's not stupid. Everything he does is calculated

Most Russians are nationalists. He has a solid play on that. He will have popular support. The FSB will check the wind temperature and go where they need to go

High stress moments in Moscow

Meanwhile, Ukraine will probably go all in and finally commit their reserves

Going to be an eventful week

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like this is a surprise to anyone.

This Wagner coup will fail; the guy who takes the second shot may get it done.

Wagner needs a high level of defectors from fsb, national guard or proper military to win.

The ones who want their shot at the throne will wait to see competition weakened then make their move.

It’s a win win. Ukrainians killing Russians; Russians killing Russians is a solid outcome.

Eh... too early to say

Prigozhin is not an idiot. He's many other things but he's not stupid. Everything he does is calculated

Most Russians are nationalists. He has a solid play on that. He will have popular support. The FSB will check the wind temperature and go where they need to go

High stress moments in Moscow

Meanwhile, Ukraine will probably go all in and finally commit their reserves

Going to be an eventful week

He's obviously smart. I mean all those other rich Russians got thrown (fell) out of windows so looks like Prigozhin figured out a good defense to that is to have your own private army of loyal troops.

[Anonymous]

Did Luka just flee to Turkey?
Why hasn't Putin made an appearance?
What will the L/DPR units do? Now would be a really great time for them to give up.
Are the Belgorod People's Republic guys going to attack again?
What will Kadryov do? Now would be a good time to declare independence

[Anonymous]

This all seems a bit of an extreme way to save face and withdraw.

[Anonymous]

They are not retreating just attacking in another direction(against form allies).

[Anonymous]

Reports that Russian military and PMC vehicles are commingling in Rostov. So the military in the south has switched side to Prizhogan.

[Anonymous]

What is Prizhogan‘s end game here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reports that Russian military and PMC vehicles are commingling in Rostov. So the military in the south has switched side to Prizhogan.

Yes! Very interesting

This is either a coup or the beginnings of a civil war in Russia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Prizhogan‘s end game here?

To control Russia. The only way Putin was going out was thru death.

Prigozhin reminds me a bit of Napoleon, he was out on the front lines with his men. He was anti-establishment, criticizing the military & IC elites in Moscow comfortably enjoying their lives.

He knows he has more respect by Russia’s infantry men than they show toward Putin or the generals.

This is par for the course in Russia. The elections of Yeltsin and Putin were historical aberrations.

[Anonymous]

Karma.

[Anonymous]

I’m dumb, can someone put this all into context for me???