Russia - civil war has broken out

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Anonymous wrote:Feels like a head fake by Russia. This would allow them to regroup forces in Russia.

It may be some sort of head fake by Wagner but not by Russia. Moscow is scrambling - they wouldn't move tanks and troops like this just for verisimilitude.

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A failed military operation was what triggered the civil war in 1917.

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Anonymous wrote:A failed military operation was what triggered the civil war in 1917.

Wrong Russian revolution - it was the 1905 Revolution which was in response to Russia's defeat in the Russo-Japanese War

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Russian authorities launch criminal probe into Wagner Group over threats to oust defense minister
Authorities in Russia launched a criminal probe Friday against the owner of the Wagner Group military contractor over his alleged threats to oust Russia’s defense minister.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/23/russian-authorities-wagner-group-probe-00103499

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Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny'

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group is being investigated for inciting mutiny after accusing the Russian military of a launching a deadly missile strike on his troops.
Yevgeny Prigozhin said the "evil" in the military leadership must be stopped and vowed to "march for justice".
Authorities have denied the strike and demanded he halt "illegal actions".
President Putin is aware of the situation and all necessary measures are being taken, his spokesman said.
It represents an astonishing escalation of infighting inside Russia.
The Wagner Group is a paramilitary organisation that has been fighting alongside Russian forces in Ukraine. In recent months, Prigozhin has become increasingly vocal in his criticism of Russia's military leadership.
In an audio message posted to the social media platform Telegram, he said "huge numbers" of his fighters had been killed in a strike by the Russian military on a Wagner camp, though he provided no evidence to support his claims.
"Those who killed our lads, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers [in the war in Ukraine] will be punished," he said.
"I ask you not to resist. Anyone who does will be considered a threat and destroyed. That goes for any checkpoints and aviation on our way.
"Presidential power, the government, the police and Russian guard will work as usual.
"This is not a military coup, but a march of justice. Our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66005256

What side will the republicans pick?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A failed military operation was what triggered the civil war in 1917.

Wrong Russian revolution - it was the 1905 Revolution which was in response to Russia's defeat in the Russo-Japanese War

1917 was in part due to what was happening in World War I.

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Anonymous wrote:Very smart if Putin to create a private army within the military! That always end well.

How does it usually end? (Honest question)

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This the plan

Eastern Europe has dying demographics as a whole — start up some civil wars and get it ripe for Atlanticists to waltz in

Provides resources to compete with China

LMAO sure, pretend this is all the machinations of "Atlanticists" and stick your head in the sand and tell yourself that it couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with the decades of Putin's dictatorial rule, corruption and stagnation that has left many Russians frustrated, angry and disillusioned.

DP
I hate to say it but before 2022 there were very few angry or disillusioned people in Russia. Everyone lived minding their own business. Except meager opposition that is generally out of touch with regular people.
I am not saying Russia is great or right or whatever, just saying that people were generally ok with how things were.

Before 2022, it might not have been a picnic, but in general, almost every Russian had a better life with Putin, than before Putin. Don’t underestimate how powerful this is. Post soviet Russia struggled mightily and standard of living was poor. For a lot of different reasons, but mostly because of oil, the standard of living went up when Putin came to power and stayed that way.

PP is right, Russians mostly liked putin and many downright revered him because so many of them were in poverty during Yeltsin years, and now had microwaves and washing machines during the Putin years.

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It’s a nothingburger, mark my words. Covering up some losses in Bakhmut and Zaporizh(???) and preparing for a truce, laying blame for “not enough victory” on Prigozhin. Peace talks to start soon.

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Kudos to the OP of this thread.

Maybe not what they had in mind, but it happened anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very smart if Putin to create a private army within the military! That always end well.

How does it usually end? (Honest question)

The leader of the private army takes over this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Feels like a head fake by Russia. This would allow them to regroup forces in Russia.

If it's a 'head fake' it's a really good one...

"Prigozhin published a shaky video on Friday that showed a shattered group of trees and a burning trench, claiming it was a Wagner camp shelled by Russian troops and alleging many Wagner troops were killed."
"President Putin has been informed of all the events around Prigozhin. Necessary measures are being taken," the spokesperson said.
"Russia's FSB has issued a statement accusing Prigohzin of calling for "the start of an armed civil conflict" in Russia."
"The FSB called on Wagner fighters not to follow Prigozhin's orders and to assist in his arrest."
"those who destroyed our guys today, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers, will be punished"
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/russian-mercenary-chief-appears-threaten-203300794.html