Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

Actually, it's the opposite. Asians are not a monolith in thought or ideology. The Asian Americans protesting in solidarity with diverse crowds at the Supreme Court are wrong? Many traveled hours to get to Washington DC.

Some posters here claim that Asians are "lying" to pollsters or being cowardly in saying the opposite of what they truly believe, or that the poll is showing 69% AA support is "fake."

The Asian Americans who protested against SFFA were courageous and front and center in support of AA.

This isn't Asian bashing. It's lifting up Asian Americans who know the truth about SFFA's agenda.

While you lift them up, I would also like to center the lived experience of Asians who are getting F'd by this policy.

What about Asians who are getting F'd by other admissions policies? I think you only like to center this particular policy because it has the added effect of f'ing other people of color (and only people of color).

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This is the "them versus us" part I don't get. That's exactly what SFFA intended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

Actually, it's the opposite. Asians are not a monolith in thought or ideology. The Asian Americans protesting in solidarity with diverse crowds at the Supreme Court are wrong? Many traveled hours to get to Washington DC.

Some posters here claim that Asians are "lying" to pollsters or being cowardly in saying the opposite of what they truly believe, or that the poll is showing 69% AA support is "fake."

The Asian Americans who protested against SFFA were courageous and front and center in support of AA.

This isn't Asian bashing. It's lifting up Asian Americans who know the truth about SFFA's agenda.

I was just listening to Herschel Walker speak and truly I don’t see why African Americans have anything to complain about. Walker is an outstanding representative of the African American Community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

PP can answer for herself but my two cents say they didn't find it very motivating that hard work has a ceiling and people with more or less melanin are given bonus points in life. This can discourage and depress any person.

@my two cents, you're blaming black and brown kids for Asian kids's seeming academic plight? Really?

[Anonymous]

I wonder if most Asians know who Ed Blum is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:""More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade."

Is it possible that the data is fake?

Did you vote for Donald " fake news" Trump?

Can't accept results you don't like?

69% doesn't leave for much debate here.

Even the most ardent Asian AA opponents among the bunch, the Chinese, are at like 59% in support overall.

Yes but why is it in california where there are lots of asians they voted down AA more than once? In a poll they may support but when actually voting they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

My asian legacy kids got in probably because of legacy or at least it helped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

My asian legacy kids got in probably because of legacy or at least it helped.

And your point is that since it helps you it’s ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

My asian legacy kids got in probably because of legacy or at least it helped.

And your point is that since it helps you it’s ok?

Don't assume legacy and athletics admissions are racist? There are plenty of asian and black alums at all the good schools now.

[Anonymous]

Basically the AA argument made by the dude that wants to gut it is as follows
If something helps me, I may or may not support it for others, but if it does not help me, I will do my best to destroy it.

Seems pretty standard human behavior to me, notwithstanding the chest thumping moral indignation of the other side, that adopts the exact same principle when it comes to other issues such as low taxes rates, skill based immigration, privatizing Social security etc. etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

My asian legacy kids got in probably because of legacy or at least it helped.

And your point is that since it helps you it’s ok?

Don't assume legacy and athletics admissions are racist? There are plenty of asian and black alums at all the good schools now.

It’s still somewhere around 70% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

1/3 of all Asians live in California. Bad example.

Harvard never "capped" Asians. Pretty presumptuous and arrogant of you.

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

[Anonymous]

The assumption that one can be overt-represented is the flaw. It is just not accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

1/3 of all Asians live in California. Bad example.

Harvard never "capped" Asians. Pretty presumptuous and arrogant of you.

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Overrepresentation is a function of meritocracy. Remember, meritocracy? The American dream? Anyone can work hard and succeed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

1/3 of all Asians live in California. Bad example.

Harvard never "capped" Asians. Pretty presumptuous and arrogant of you.

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Overrepresentation is a function of meritocracy. Remember, meritocracy? The American dream? Anyone can work hard and succeed?

Or if you’re rich and white you don’t have to work particularly hard at all and your dad’s friends will hire you. That’s the true American meritocracy.