Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

PP just doesn’t understand the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

1/3 of all Asians live in California. Bad example.

Harvard never "capped" Asians. Pretty presumptuous and arrogant of you.

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Overrepresentation is a function of meritocracy. Remember, meritocracy? The American dream? Anyone can work hard and succeed?

Overrepresentation by Asians in college is not bad at all. And they're not being discriminated against in college admissions.

Meritocracy in America?

LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

But can you explain why after California and other states who banned AA the percentage of asians went up? Also, it wasnt a coincidence that the harvard asian admit rate went up after being capped for so many years around 25%.

1/3 of all Asians live in California. Bad example.

Harvard never "capped" Asians. Pretty presumptuous and arrogant of you.

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Lots of internationals are Asian and people think of them as local Asian Americans.

[Anonymous]

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Easy. If they are 30% of the elite college population but would be 60% on the basis of merit, then they have been discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

Abbott Lowell was also very concerned about what you call "racial balance" in admissions: "The anti-Semitic feeling among the students is increasing, and it grows in proportion to the increase in the number of Jews. If their number should become 40% of the student body, the race feeling would become intense."

You can call it what you want to make yourself feel better. It's just racism, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah I’m raising an eyebrow at these numbers. 90% of AA begin in community college? I’d like to see where that number comes from.

It's USA Today. Crazy woke so not worth reading

[Anonymous]

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

OK so we agree there should be no more than 2% Jewish students at any given college, then, and especially at elite colleges, in order to free up slots for African Americans and Hispanics and thus achieve racial balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Easy. If they are 30% of the elite college population but would be 60% on the basis of merit, then they have been discriminated against.

60%?

LOL.

There is no "merit" in elite college admissions ( see Legacy)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

I think the only one here with a thick skull is the one who cannot differentiate between rhetoric and reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Can you explain how Asian Americans can claim discrimination in college admissions but are overrepresented on most college campuses relative to their U.S. population?

Easy. If they are 30% of the elite college population but would be 60% on the basis of merit, then they have been discriminated against.

Merit as defined by you, you mean.

What Harvard is way more interested in than GPA and test scores is who's going to be a future leader in a realm that will be sure to garner Harvard lots of attention and potentially money. Some of that comes from being smart and hard-working, but there's much more to it than that.

Asians are not being discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

Abbott Lowell was also very concerned about what you call "racial balance" in admissions: "The anti-Semitic feeling among the students is increasing, and it grows in proportion to the increase in the number of Jews. If their number should become 40% of the student body, the race feeling would become intense."

You can call it what you want to make yourself feel better. It's just racism, though.

Yes, that was racism. Where is the equivalent quote from anytime in the recent past with regard to students of Asian descent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

Racial quotas are illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

Abbott Lowell was also very concerned about what you call "racial balance" in admissions: "The anti-Semitic feeling among the students is increasing, and it grows in proportion to the increase in the number of Jews. If their number should become 40% of the student body, the race feeling would become intense."

You can call it what you want to make yourself feel better. It's just racism, though.

No, you idiot, you miss PPs point entirely.

And you also did not do as suggested : call a college admissions office and ask them why.

If there are nearly no people of a certain race at a college, it is nearly impossible to get those people to apply. If there aren't any AA kids, they can't get AA kids. It's self fulfilling.

Here's the test, try answering this: assuming you are not AA, would you send your kid to a HBC, even though there are many great ones? No, you wouldn't, because your kid would feel very out of place.

THAT'S why colleges seek a representative balance. That's it. And you just proved it is valid with your answer.

It's not affirmative action, it's not reparations, it's not to right past injustices (even if it should be). It's so those colleges can get the kids THEY WANT at the college THEY RUN.

And you don't want them to be able to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millionth time:

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions is not affirmative action.

That’s not why they do it. Read the above sentence many times and get it through your thick skulls.

They do it so they can build the class they want more readily. You don’t have to take my word for it call any college admissions office and talk to them about it. And yes someone there will talk to you. But you won’t do that because it will conflict with the narrative you’ve already committed to.

You are free to debate the efficacy and appropriateness of affirmative action but that discussion has nothing to do with college admissions. Nothing.

Abbott Lowell was also very concerned about what you call "racial balance" in admissions: "The anti-Semitic feeling among the students is increasing, and it grows in proportion to the increase in the number of Jews. If their number should become 40% of the student body, the race feeling would become intense."

You can call it what you want to make yourself feel better. It's just racism, though.

No, you idiot, you miss PPs point entirely.

And you also did not do as suggested : call a college admissions office and ask them why.

If there are nearly no people of a certain race at a college, it is nearly impossible to get those people to apply. If there aren't any AA kids, they can't get AA kids. It's self fulfilling.

Here's the test, try answering this: assuming you are not AA, would you send your kid to a HBC, even though there are many great ones? No, you wouldn't, because your kid would feel very out of place.

THAT'S why colleges seek a representative balance. That's it. And you just proved it is valid with your answer.

It's not affirmative action, it's not reparations, it's not to right past injustices (even if it should be). It's so those colleges can get the kids THEY WANT at the college THEY RUN.

And you don't want them to be able to do that.

If there are nearly no people of a certain race at a college, it is nearly impossible to get those people to apply. If there aren't any AA kids, they can't get AA kids. It's self fulfilling.

This would have been a valid argument 25 years ago.