Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

I have no idea if my kids will play at a collegiate level right now. Maybe, maybe not. But either way I don’t have a problem with an athlete admissions track. It’s actually a great way to give access to diverse candidates. And in my experience student athletes were hardworking students who used their education well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Correct, it will be holistic, race just won't be part of it anymore. If data show that certain races scored higher than others, it will be grounds for loss of federal funding or other lawsuits in the future, once AA is made illegal

and when the data shows that asian admits score higher than the whites, exactly nothing will happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

I have no idea if my kids will play at a collegiate level right now. Maybe, maybe not. But either way I don’t have a problem with an athlete admissions track. It’s actually a great way to give access to diverse candidates. And in my experience student athletes were hardworking students who used their education well.

elite college athletics is dominated by whites, as you well know, you sock puppet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

I have no idea if my kids will play at a collegiate level right now. Maybe, maybe not. But either way I don’t have a problem with an athlete admissions track. It’s actually a great way to give access to diverse candidates. And in my experience student athletes were hardworking students who used their education well.

elite college athletics is dominated by whites, as you well know, you sock puppet.

I went to a big 10. Ask Jeff if I’m a sock puppet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

I have no idea if my kids will play at a collegiate level right now. Maybe, maybe not. But either way I don’t have a problem with an athlete admissions track. It’s actually a great way to give access to diverse candidates. And in my experience student athletes were hardworking students who used their education well.

elite college athletics is dominated by whites, as you well know, you sock puppet.

I went to a big 10. Ask Jeff if I’m a sock puppet.

you mean a school like Purdue (2.8% black)? or maybe Michigan (~5% black)? You're being petty about AA based on those numbers? Do these numbers have to be sub 1% for it not to harm your kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

Actually, it's the opposite. Asians are not a monolith in thought or ideology. The Asian Americans protesting in solidarity with diverse crowds at the Supreme Court are wrong? Many traveled hours to get to Washington DC.

Some posters here claim that Asians are "lying" to pollsters or being cowardly in saying the opposite of what they truly believe, or that the poll is showing 69% AA support is "fake."

The Asian Americans who protested against SFFA were courageous and front and center in support of AA.

This isn't Asian bashing. It's lifting up Asian Americans who know the truth about SFFA's agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

PP can answer for herself but my two cents say they didn't find it very motivating that hard work has a ceiling and people with more or less melanin are given bonus points in life. This can discourage and depress any person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

PP can answer for herself but my two cents say they didn't find it very motivating that hard work has a ceiling and people with more or less melanin are given bonus points in life. This can discourage and depress any person.

I guess exactly how blacks feel. I think one day people will also understand the limitations of being an Asian applicant but it's going to take some time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

Actually, it's the opposite. Asians are not a monolith in thought or ideology. The Asian Americans protesting in solidarity with diverse crowds at the Supreme Court are wrong? Many traveled hours to get to Washington DC.

Some posters here claim that Asians are "lying" to pollsters or being cowardly in saying the opposite of what they truly believe, or that the poll is showing 69% AA support is "fake."

The Asian Americans who protested against SFFA were courageous and front and center in support of AA.

This isn't Asian bashing. It's lifting up Asian Americans who know the truth about SFFA's agenda.

While you lift them up, I would also like to center the lived experience of Asians who are getting F'd by this policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

I have no idea if my kids will play at a collegiate level right now. Maybe, maybe not. But either way I don’t have a problem with an athlete admissions track. It’s actually a great way to give access to diverse candidates. And in my experience student athletes were hardworking students who used their education well.

elite college athletics is dominated by whites, as you well know, you sock puppet.

Its also a great way to limit Asians students as not many middle class Asian parents can spend enough money or effort on athletics. In many ways, immigrant Asian parents just don't know or understand the admission game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Newsflash: I never said I have a problem with AA. I have a problem with the tireless defense of anti Asian bias and discrimination.

BINGO. This PP has a one-point agenda across forum- Asian bashing.

Actually, it's the opposite. Asians are not a monolith in thought or ideology. The Asian Americans protesting in solidarity with diverse crowds at the Supreme Court are wrong? Many traveled hours to get to Washington DC.

Some posters here claim that Asians are "lying" to pollsters or being cowardly in saying the opposite of what they truly believe, or that the poll is showing 69% AA support is "fake."

The Asian Americans who protested against SFFA were courageous and front and center in support of AA.

This isn't Asian bashing. It's lifting up Asian Americans who know the truth about SFFA's agenda.

While you lift them up, I would also like to center the lived experience of Asians who are getting F'd by this policy.

What about Asians who are getting F'd by other admissions policies? I think you only like to center this particular policy because it has the added effect of f'ing other people of color (and only people of color).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

+1

[Anonymous]

What i hate most about current system is giving teen false hope that hard work is the key. They spend some of their best years chasing something that's out of their reach because rules are different for them.