10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, this story has gone viral and was even included in Biden's little speech yesterday.
But, it is unverified.

Are you as dumb as Glenn Kessler?

From commenter wihntr, who knows more about this subject than alleged fact checker Kessler does:

Anonymous wrote:I participated in the investigation of and prosecuted hundreds of child maltreatment cases, the vast majority of them sexual assaults. I was also my county's juvenile court prosecutor for two years. The notion that a ten-year-old child became pregnant and in need of an abortion is very credible. The fact that no prosecution for having impregnated the child has yet been made public means nothing. I personally know of many cases where little girls like this have been raped. Once when I was in juvenile court we had a 13-year-old runaway who was pregnant-- with her second child.

First, the girl in this case may be unwilling or unable to disclose the identity of the person who assaulted her (and as far as I am aware sex with a child as young as ten is a sexual assault, a rape, in every state even if no physical force as most people think of it was involved.) She may be afraid to say who raped her. She may be unsure who raped her. She may not know the identity of the person who raped her. She may be developmentally delayed and non-verbal. (People with developmental disabilities are particularly vulnerable to sexual assault.) Investigators may be awaiting the results of the abortion to obtain a DNA sample form the fetus in order to try to identify the person who raped the girl.

Second, if the person who impregnated the girl is himself a juvenile-- which is not at all unlikely-- in most states the prosecution of such an assault would take place in juvenile court, where proceedings are rarely made known to the public. All the fact-checking in the world would not get anywhere in trying to verify the story if it went to juvenile court.

Third, because we are dealing with a child and a medical procedure where that child is the patient, HIPPA prevents many of the people involved from saying anything that could get into the public domain identifying the patient.

Someone who knows more about child sexual assault should have written this "fact-check."

You and Kessler sound like you’re trying to find a loophole for why making women and girls slaves is acceptable and not that bad. It is that bad. For every horror story like this poor raped 10 year old, there will be thousands of individual women whose misery will never be made public. You and every other forced birther or forced birther apologist will bear this blood, death and misery on your hands.

I have a hard time believing this story.
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Has a hard time believing the story, cites a RWNJ as “evidence.” You are Tucker Carlsoning this and it’s as bad a look for you as it is for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. If it's a family member they may not want him protected. My neighbors never turned in the father from having sex with the daughters. He was the one who paid the bills.

If a child is raped and goes to the doctor, the DOCTOR is a mandated reporter. It doesn't matter what the family wants. This is child abuse and a doctor who is aware of it is required to report it.
And, the claim would be investigated and prosecuted if true.

You are so naive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, this story has gone viral and was even included in Biden's little speech yesterday.
But, it is unverified.

Are you as dumb as Glenn Kessler?

From commenter wihntr, who knows more about this subject than alleged fact checker Kessler does:

Anonymous wrote:I participated in the investigation of and prosecuted hundreds of child maltreatment cases, the vast majority of them sexual assaults. I was also my county's juvenile court prosecutor for two years. The notion that a ten-year-old child became pregnant and in need of an abortion is very credible. The fact that no prosecution for having impregnated the child has yet been made public means nothing. I personally know of many cases where little girls like this have been raped. Once when I was in juvenile court we had a 13-year-old runaway who was pregnant-- with her second child.

First, the girl in this case may be unwilling or unable to disclose the identity of the person who assaulted her (and as far as I am aware sex with a child as young as ten is a sexual assault, a rape, in every state even if no physical force as most people think of it was involved.) She may be afraid to say who raped her. She may be unsure who raped her. She may not know the identity of the person who raped her. She may be developmentally delayed and non-verbal. (People with developmental disabilities are particularly vulnerable to sexual assault.) Investigators may be awaiting the results of the abortion to obtain a DNA sample form the fetus in order to try to identify the person who raped the girl.

Second, if the person who impregnated the girl is himself a juvenile-- which is not at all unlikely-- in most states the prosecution of such an assault would take place in juvenile court, where proceedings are rarely made known to the public. All the fact-checking in the world would not get anywhere in trying to verify the story if it went to juvenile court.

Third, because we are dealing with a child and a medical procedure where that child is the patient, HIPPA prevents many of the people involved from saying anything that could get into the public domain identifying the patient.

Someone who knows more about child sexual assault should have written this "fact-check."

You and Kessler sound like you’re trying to find a loophole for why making women and girls slaves is acceptable and not that bad. It is that bad. For every horror story like this poor raped 10 year old, there will be thousands of individual women whose misery will never be made public. You and every other forced birther or forced birther apologist will bear this blood, death and misery on your hands.

I have a hard time believing this story.
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Of course you have a hard time believing it. It’s unbelievable that this could happen. If it is true, it means that perhaps this issue is more complex than your pastor told you. And maybe then you’d need to reconsider your “pro-life” position. No, no. Much easier to believe the conspiracy theory that allows you to keep insulation and ignorance intact.

[Anonymous]

Of course the forced birthers are pretending this didn’t happen. They don’t want to admit they support child rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, this story has gone viral and was even included in Biden's little speech yesterday.
But, it is unverified.

Are you as dumb as Glenn Kessler?

From commenter wihntr, who knows more about this subject than alleged fact checker Kessler does:

Anonymous wrote:I participated in the investigation of and prosecuted hundreds of child maltreatment cases, the vast majority of them sexual assaults. I was also my county's juvenile court prosecutor for two years. The notion that a ten-year-old child became pregnant and in need of an abortion is very credible. The fact that no prosecution for having impregnated the child has yet been made public means nothing. I personally know of many cases where little girls like this have been raped. Once when I was in juvenile court we had a 13-year-old runaway who was pregnant-- with her second child.

First, the girl in this case may be unwilling or unable to disclose the identity of the person who assaulted her (and as far as I am aware sex with a child as young as ten is a sexual assault, a rape, in every state even if no physical force as most people think of it was involved.) She may be afraid to say who raped her. She may be unsure who raped her. She may not know the identity of the person who raped her. She may be developmentally delayed and non-verbal. (People with developmental disabilities are particularly vulnerable to sexual assault.) Investigators may be awaiting the results of the abortion to obtain a DNA sample form the fetus in order to try to identify the person who raped the girl.

Second, if the person who impregnated the girl is himself a juvenile-- which is not at all unlikely-- in most states the prosecution of such an assault would take place in juvenile court, where proceedings are rarely made known to the public. All the fact-checking in the world would not get anywhere in trying to verify the story if it went to juvenile court.

Third, because we are dealing with a child and a medical procedure where that child is the patient, HIPPA prevents many of the people involved from saying anything that could get into the public domain identifying the patient.

Someone who knows more about child sexual assault should have written this "fact-check."

You and Kessler sound like you’re trying to find a loophole for why making women and girls slaves is acceptable and not that bad. It is that bad. For every horror story like this poor raped 10 year old, there will be thousands of individual women whose misery will never be made public. You and every other forced birther or forced birther apologist will bear this blood, death and misery on your hands.

I have a hard time believing this story.
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What part of, if the offender is also a minor or was not named by the victim, nothing will be found by anyone, do you not understand??

[Anonymous]

It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, this story has gone viral and was even included in Biden's little speech yesterday.
But, it is unverified.

Are you as dumb as Glenn Kessler?

From commenter wihntr, who knows more about this subject than alleged fact checker Kessler does:

Anonymous wrote:I participated in the investigation of and prosecuted hundreds of child maltreatment cases, the vast majority of them sexual assaults. I was also my county's juvenile court prosecutor for two years. The notion that a ten-year-old child became pregnant and in need of an abortion is very credible. The fact that no prosecution for having impregnated the child has yet been made public means nothing. I personally know of many cases where little girls like this have been raped. Once when I was in juvenile court we had a 13-year-old runaway who was pregnant-- with her second child.

First, the girl in this case may be unwilling or unable to disclose the identity of the person who assaulted her (and as far as I am aware sex with a child as young as ten is a sexual assault, a rape, in every state even if no physical force as most people think of it was involved.) She may be afraid to say who raped her. She may be unsure who raped her. She may not know the identity of the person who raped her. She may be developmentally delayed and non-verbal. (People with developmental disabilities are particularly vulnerable to sexual assault.) Investigators may be awaiting the results of the abortion to obtain a DNA sample form the fetus in order to try to identify the person who raped the girl.

Second, if the person who impregnated the girl is himself a juvenile-- which is not at all unlikely-- in most states the prosecution of such an assault would take place in juvenile court, where proceedings are rarely made known to the public. All the fact-checking in the world would not get anywhere in trying to verify the story if it went to juvenile court.

Third, because we are dealing with a child and a medical procedure where that child is the patient, HIPPA prevents many of the people involved from saying anything that could get into the public domain identifying the patient.

Someone who knows more about child sexual assault should have written this "fact-check."

You and Kessler sound like you’re trying to find a loophole for why making women and girls slaves is acceptable and not that bad. It is that bad. For every horror story like this poor raped 10 year old, there will be thousands of individual women whose misery will never be made public. You and every other forced birther or forced birther apologist will bear this blood, death and misery on your hands.

I have a hard time believing this story.
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What part of, if the offender is also a minor or was not named by the victim, nothing will be found by anyone, do you not understand??

It’s the prickling of guilt, the awareness that the culty decisions their party has made is going to have real consequences. They understand it fine. They just don’t want to have to think about the destruction their forced birth policies are going to cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

I worked in the foster care system 20 years ago and this type of thing was not uncommon back then, even. I don’t remember a pregnant ten year old but we had numerous pregnant 11 and 12 year olds and older. Sometimes the father was a relative, sometimes it was another minor.

It is so wild to me that people are trying to explain away this story. I’m sure that it happened and I also know there are many, many more children in this position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

A stage age for black and brown girls to start their periods is NINE!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

A stage age for black and brown girls to start their periods is NINE!

Should have said average age.

[Anonymous]

Cannot be verified by WaPo fact checkers. Can't be verified by anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cannot be verified by WaPo fact checkers. Can't be verified by anyone.

What would that verification look like if the other person involved were also a minor? Where would you find the names, the report, whatever?

This happens at least once a year where I work as a mandated reporter, sometimes two or three times -- pregnant preteens. It's awful. You know what Child Protective Services says when I call to update them, e.g., when the pregnant preteen misses a medical visit and there is concern for medical neglect by her caregivers? "Of course, we cannot confirm whether there is an open file on this case, but we can take down the information." And I never hear what happens with the case, either.

Of course we cannot confirm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cannot be verified by WaPo fact checkers. Can't be verified by anyone.

What would that verification look like if the other person involved were also a minor? Where would you find the names, the report, whatever?

This happens at least once a year where I work as a mandated reporter, sometimes two or three times -- pregnant preteens. It's awful. You know what Child Protective Services says when I call to update them, e.g., when the pregnant preteen misses a medical visit and there is concern for medical neglect by her caregivers? "Of course, we cannot confirm whether there is an open file on this case, but we can take down the information." And I never hear what happens with the case, either.

Of course we cannot confirm.

You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?

This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.

[Anonymous]

What options does a pregnant 10 year old have in Ohio, and other states that ban abortion with no exceptions for rape?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cannot be verified by WaPo fact checkers. Can't be verified by anyone.

What would that verification look like if the other person involved were also a minor? Where would you find the names, the report, whatever?

This happens at least once a year where I work as a mandated reporter, sometimes two or three times -- pregnant preteens. It's awful. You know what Child Protective Services says when I call to update them, e.g., when the pregnant preteen misses a medical visit and there is concern for medical neglect by her caregivers? "Of course, we cannot confirm whether there is an open file on this case, but we can take down the information." And I never hear what happens with the case, either.

Of course we cannot confirm.

You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?

This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.

No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.

Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.

Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.