No CogAT testing in FCPS AAP Screening this year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It always amazes me how some parents think it is the end all be all. Having had one in AAP and one not, it really is not all that you would think it was cracked up to be. I think 5 th grade was the biggest difference(some more in depth projects). Everything else was not that different. Except for math. And then in MS(at least at Longfellow) Math is the only difference. My kids were on the same team and, except for math, had the exact same assignments and projects. for Language Arts, SS and science. A few papers were due a few days ahead in AAP but that was it. Maybe because all classes at that school are honors anyways….

It makes a huge difference for those of us in schools with high ESOL and FARMS populations where your example is not the case, but you would not understand that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It always amazes me how some parents think it is the end all be all. Having had one in AAP and one not, it really is not all that you would think it was cracked up to be. I think 5 th grade was the biggest difference(some more in depth projects). Everything else was not that different. Except for math. And then in MS(at least at Longfellow) Math is the only difference. My kids were on the same team and, except for math, had the exact same assignments and projects. for Language Arts, SS and science. A few papers were due a few days ahead in AAP but that was it. Maybe because all classes at that school are honors anyways….

It makes a huge difference for those of us in schools with high ESOL and FARMS populations where your example is not the case, but you would not understand that.

Don’t worry. They are not going to skip AAP placement for an entire year. Somebody literally made that up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Just saw this because I am an employee. There will be a NNAT in December. I wonder how this will change the screening pool.

Still no official words yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Just saw this because I am an employee. There will be a NNAT in December. I wonder how this will change the screening pool.

Still no official words yet.

It is on the FCPS Intranet on the Actiongram for today. It's official. They are still doing a pool. There are detailed FAQs about how it will work and what they are still working out. The bottom line is that they would have to have CogAT taken in the Fall to have scores in time for the spring pool. The state requires an abilities test, so NNAT will be used. If the student has a 1st grade score, that will be used. If they do not have a 1st grade score, they will figure out how to give the NNAT in December. Screening portfolios will be digital.

[Anonymous]

18 or 19 years ago when I had no idea of the AAP program (GT at that time) a colleague mentioned how her friends kids were not able to get into GT. She was telling me how needlessly the kids lives were ruined (they were still in ES at that time) due to this and how they would not be able to get into good colleges.

Still cannot forget that conversation. It seemed strange that 7-8 year old kids lives can be ruined by something like that. Knowing a bit more now, I cannot get over the absurdity of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It always amazes me how some parents think it is the end all be all. Having had one in AAP and one not, it really is not all that you would think it was cracked up to be. I think 5 th grade was the biggest difference(some more in depth projects). Everything else was not that different. Except for math. And then in MS(at least at Longfellow) Math is the only difference. My kids were on the same team and, except for math, had the exact same assignments and projects. for Language Arts, SS and science. A few papers were due a few days ahead in AAP but that was it. Maybe because all classes at that school are honors anyways….

It makes a huge difference for those of us in schools with high ESOL and FARMS populations where your example is not the case, but you would not understand that.

Timberlane... so I actually do understand. 5th grade for us was the only big difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Just saw this because I am an employee. There will be a NNAT in December. I wonder how this will change the screening pool.

Still no official words yet.

It is on the FCPS Intranet on the Actiongram for today. It's official. They are still doing a pool. There are detailed FAQs about how it will work and what they are still working out. The bottom line is that they would have to have CogAT taken in the Fall to have scores in time for the spring pool. The state requires an abilities test, so NNAT will be used. If the student has a 1st grade score, that will be used. If they do not have a 1st grade score, they will figure out how to give the NNAT in December. Screening portfolios will be digital.

This works for us. DD must have slept well and ate breakfast cause she got 99 percentile. No way she would do that again.

[Anonymous]

So we now have to go to GMU? How ridiculous. My daughter won’t be in the pool with her crummy NNAT score. But I bet she would do well on the CogAT. This is completely unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So we now have to go to GMU? How ridiculous. My daughter won’t be in the pool with her crummy NNAT score. But I bet she would do well on the CogAT. This is completely unfair.

My DS's NNAT is also low. Will they weigh other data points more strongly such as iready? I wonder how this will work.

We already have a WISC scheduled this fall as part of an evaluation, which we could use. But that's not true for most families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Just saw this because I am an employee. There will be a NNAT in December. I wonder how this will change the screening pool.

Still no official words yet.

It is on the FCPS Intranet on the Actiongram for today. It's official. They are still doing a pool. There are detailed FAQs about how it will work and what they are still working out. The bottom line is that they would have to have CogAT taken in the Fall to have scores in time for the spring pool. The state requires an abilities test, so NNAT will be used. If the student has a 1st grade score, that will be used. If they do not have a 1st grade score, they will figure out how to give the NNAT in December. Screening portfolios will be digital.

what is the Actiongram? I’ve done a search and can not find anything. Is this something only teachers get? Why aren’t the FAQs public and how much do they actually have to work out? I wonder how many times FCpS will change this “plan” between now and January!!!!

[Anonymous]

Is NNAT the same as Naglieri?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is NNAT the same as Naglieri?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Just saw this because I am an employee. There will be a NNAT in December. I wonder how this will change the screening pool.

Still no official words yet.

It is on the FCPS Intranet on the Actiongram for today. It's official. They are still doing a pool. There are detailed FAQs about how it will work and what they are still working out. The bottom line is that they would have to have CogAT taken in the Fall to have scores in time for the spring pool. The state requires an abilities test, so NNAT will be used. If the student has a 1st grade score, that will be used. If they do not have a 1st grade score, they will figure out how to give the NNAT in December. Screening portfolios will be digital.

what is the Actiongram? I’ve done a search and can not find anything. Is this something only teachers get? Why aren’t the FAQs public and how much do they actually have to work out? I wonder how many times FCpS will change this “plan” between now and January!!!!

I’m not waiting for FCPS to figure it out. I am scheduling a CogAt at GMU ASAP.

[Anonymous]

How long is the wait for WISC at GMU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we now have to go to GMU? How ridiculous. My daughter won’t be in the pool with her crummy NNAT score. But I bet she would do well on the CogAT. This is completely unfair.

My DS's NNAT is also low. Will they weigh other data points more strongly such as iready? I wonder how this will work.

We already have a WISC scheduled this fall as part of an evaluation, which we could use. But that's not true for most families.

This will be a good year for them to make the switch to AAP admissions being based on equity instead of achievement.

With no tests except for the unstable nnat, fcpc can just place on teacher recommendation and equity formulas.