No CogAT testing in FCPS AAP Screening this year

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Anonymous wrote:All of this nonsense is why we chose to move to Loudoun. The gifted program is a minor after thought and not a separate curriculum. They also admit way fewer kids (with even higher scores) but all students remain in class together.

I’m starting to understand. The commute would be murder but I could own a horse farm out there for what I pay to live in FCPS. Now that I telework full-time it’s incredibly appealing.

PP here. I live 10 minutes north of Reston Town Center. The downtown commute is brutal, but places like Tyson’s, Reston, Chantilly and Herndon are fine.

NP but we're planning on moving here after my older child finishes 2nd grade (this year) mainly because we think AAP is horseshit.

PP here. My neighbor is an AART in FCPS and she deliberately chose LCPS for her kids because of the AAP craziness. I think you will be happy with your decision. We also have the best start times. 7:50 ES/8:30 MS/9:15 HS.

Yikes! 7:50 for elem sounds god awful!

It sounds awesome, as my kids wake up at 6 every day. Don't kids wake up later as they go from preschool to upper elementaryto middleschool? Plus it's very compatible with a dual income family's work schedule. If I drop off my ES kid at 9:20am, I don't get to work until 10:15. So I pay for SACC before care (pre covid). So do many other parents who use the SACC before care.

The 8am PP clearly doesn’t work. Most functioning adults aren’t horrified by having to wake up (or wake their kids up) before 8am.

This to me is insulting. Some adults, whether they work or not, are not morning people. I have always been a night owl. So often I am up until 12-1 am and yes, getting up before 8 am can be a challenge. But it has nothing to do with whether I work or not. I am lucky my kids now in the summer like to sleep in until 8-8:30. During the school year they were up by 7:30 am, and even that was hard at times. So, to me, having to get kids to school by 7:50 am would be terribly hard for 7 years of elementary school. Both of my kids need a lot of sleep. So I disagree that LCPS has the best start times.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry.

It’s way more normal than sleeping until 8. You probably keep them up way too late. Early bedtime and early wake time is most developmentally appropriate. Read any sleep book. But anyway you seem psycho so PLEASE do not move to LCPS. Fairfax can have you.

Nice try. The only one who is coming across as psychotic is you. But that’s to be expected given your kids are waking up so early! Even if they wake that early, don’t you have a family rule about staying in rooms until a more reasonable hour? It’s one thing if your kid is a toddler, but an older school age child should be trained to not get out of his or room that freaking early. Have them read or pay quietly in rooms until 7:30 or something!

And no, I don’t keep my kids up late at all. They go to bed by 8:30-9:00 pm and are up now between 8:00 - 8:30 am. Much more reasonable and we don’t have to stress out getting to bed early for a 7:50 am start time at school. No thank you to LCPS!

NP but it is super weird that you are so up in arms and defensive about this. Who cares what time other people's kids wake up?

We're all early risers in my family and are happy that way. My kid's 9:20 - 4:00 school day made her miserable. She'd be much happier with 8:00 - 2:45.

I don’t care at all. I had made one comment about how I wouldn’t enjoy the early start times in LCPS earlier. And then I was jumped on and told I must keep my kids up late and that I was psycho. And that I was asked if I had ever had a paying job. Please go back and reread the posts. If anything, it’s the PP who is defensive about the early start times in LCPS and insulting anyone who disagrees.

To add, I was also told I wasn’t a functioning adult because I was “horrified” by the early start times by LCPS (I never used the work horrified, fyi). So, who’s defensive? The one defending the early start times sounds awfully defensive to me.

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What kind of white collar office jobs are cool with people strolling in at 9:30 or 10am? Not to mention how late you would have to work each day to get your hours in.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this nonsense is why we chose to move to Loudoun. The gifted program is a minor after thought and not a separate curriculum. They also admit way fewer kids (with even higher scores) but all students remain in class together.

I’m starting to understand. The commute would be murder but I could own a horse farm out there for what I pay to live in FCPS. Now that I telework full-time it’s incredibly appealing.

PP here. I live 10 minutes north of Reston Town Center. The downtown commute is brutal, but places like Tyson’s, Reston, Chantilly and Herndon are fine.

NP but we're planning on moving here after my older child finishes 2nd grade (this year) mainly because we think AAP is horseshit.

PP here. My neighbor is an AART in FCPS and she deliberately chose LCPS for her kids because of the AAP craziness. I think you will be happy with your decision. We also have the best start times. 7:50 ES/8:30 MS/9:15 HS.

Yikes! 7:50 for elem sounds god awful!

It sounds awesome, as my kids wake up at 6 every day. Don't kids wake up later as they go from preschool to upper elementaryto middleschool? Plus it's very compatible with a dual income family's work schedule. If I drop off my ES kid at 9:20am, I don't get to work until 10:15. So I pay for SACC before care (pre covid). So do many other parents who use the SACC before care.

The 8am PP clearly doesn’t work. Most functioning adults aren’t horrified by having to wake up (or wake their kids up) before 8am.

This to me is insulting. Some adults, whether they work or not, are not morning people. I have always been a night owl. So often I am up until 12-1 am and yes, getting up before 8 am can be a challenge. But it has nothing to do with whether I work or not. I am lucky my kids now in the summer like to sleep in until 8-8:30. During the school year they were up by 7:30 am, and even that was hard at times. So, to me, having to get kids to school by 7:50 am would be terribly hard for 7 years of elementary school. Both of my kids need a lot of sleep. So I disagree that LCPS has the best start times.

You and your kids are going to have a rude awakening come 7th grade. It’s way earlier than LCPS ES.

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This to me is insulting. Some adults, whether they work or not, are not morning people. I have always been a night owl. So often I am up until 12-1 am and yes, getting up before 8 am can be a challenge. But it has nothing to do with whether I work or not. I am lucky my kids now in the summer like to sleep in until 8-8:30. During the school year they were up by 7:30 am, and even that was hard at times. So, to me, having to get kids to school by 7:50 am would be terribly hard for 7 years of elementary school. Both of my kids need a lot of sleep. So I disagree that LCPS has the best start times.

The day has 24 hours. If they need more sleep, put them to bed earlier. Pretty easy.

I taught first grade in a system that had them start at 7 a.m. I was just out of college at the time. Not exactly favorable to 7 a.m. starts. But, I managed.
FWIW, this was a trial program because they thought it was better to let the older kids sleep in. They only did it for one year. They discovered that sending little kids out to the school bus in the dark of winter was not a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry.

It’s way more normal than sleeping until 8. You probably keep them up way too late. Early bedtime and early wake time is most developmentally appropriate. Read any sleep book. But anyway you seem psycho so PLEASE do not move to LCPS. Fairfax can have you.

Nice try. The only one who is coming across as psychotic is you. But that’s to be expected given your kids are waking up so early! Even if they wake that early, don’t you have a family rule about staying in rooms until a more reasonable hour? It’s one thing if your kid is a toddler, but an older school age child should be trained to not get out of his or room that freaking early. Have them read or pay quietly in rooms until 7:30 or something!

And no, I don’t keep my kids up late at all. They go to bed by 8:30-9:00 pm and are up now between 8:00 - 8:30 am. Much more reasonable and we don’t have to stress out getting to bed early for a 7:50 am start time at school. No thank you to LCPS!

NP but it is super weird that you are so up in arms and defensive about this. Who cares what time other people's kids wake up?

We're all early risers in my family and are happy that way. My kid's 9:20 - 4:00 school day made her miserable. She'd be much happier with 8:00 - 2:45.

I don’t care at all. I had made one comment about how I wouldn’t enjoy the early start times in LCPS earlier. And then I was jumped on and told I must keep my kids up late and that I was psycho. And that I was asked if I had ever had a paying job. Please go back and reread the posts. If anything, it’s the PP who is defensive about the early start times in LCPS and insulting anyone who disagrees.

No, sorry, this is what you said: "I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry."

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of white collar office jobs are cool with people strolling in at 9:30 or 10am? Not to mention how late you would have to work each day to get your hours in.

Mine is! (My kids still get up at 6:30 though!)

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of white collar office jobs are cool with people strolling in at 9:30 or 10am? Not to mention how late you would have to work each day to get your hours in.

Mine is! (My kids still get up at 6:30 though!)

So you work until 6:00 or 6:30pm?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of white collar office jobs are cool with people strolling in at 9:30 or 10am? Not to mention how late you would have to work each day to get your hours in.

Mine is! (My kids still get up at 6:30 though!)

So you work until 6:00 or 6:30pm?

Sometimes. Other times I work from home in the evenings. Such are the benefits of working for a mid-sized company where almost all of leadership has young children. Flexibility and work-life balance are great motivators, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry.

It’s way more normal than sleeping until 8. You probably keep them up way too late. Early bedtime and early wake time is most developmentally appropriate. Read any sleep book. But anyway you seem psycho so PLEASE do not move to LCPS. Fairfax can have you.

Nice try. The only one who is coming across as psychotic is you. But that’s to be expected given your kids are waking up so early! Even if they wake that early, don’t you have a family rule about staying in rooms until a more reasonable hour? It’s one thing if your kid is a toddler, but an older school age child should be trained to not get out of his or room that freaking early. Have them read or pay quietly in rooms until 7:30 or something!

And no, I don’t keep my kids up late at all. They go to bed by 8:30-9:00 pm and are up now between 8:00 - 8:30 am. Much more reasonable and we don’t have to stress out getting to bed early for a 7:50 am start time at school. No thank you to LCPS!

NP but it is super weird that you are so up in arms and defensive about this. Who cares what time other people's kids wake up?

We're all early risers in my family and are happy that way. My kid's 9:20 - 4:00 school day made her miserable. She'd be much happier with 8:00 - 2:45.

I don’t care at all. I had made one comment about how I wouldn’t enjoy the early start times in LCPS earlier. And then I was jumped on and told I must keep my kids up late and that I was psycho. And that I was asked if I had ever had a paying job. Please go back and reread the posts. If anything, it’s the PP who is defensive about the early start times in LCPS and insulting anyone who disagrees.

No, sorry, this is what you said: "I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry."

That was after I was called psycho and not a functioning adult.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry.

It’s way more normal than sleeping until 8. You probably keep them up way too late. Early bedtime and early wake time is most developmentally appropriate. Read any sleep book. But anyway you seem psycho so PLEASE do not move to LCPS. Fairfax can have you.

Nice try. The only one who is coming across as psychotic is you. But that’s to be expected given your kids are waking up so early! Even if they wake that early, don’t you have a family rule about staying in rooms until a more reasonable hour? It’s one thing if your kid is a toddler, but an older school age child should be trained to not get out of his or room that freaking early. Have them read or pay quietly in rooms until 7:30 or something!

And no, I don’t keep my kids up late at all. They go to bed by 8:30-9:00 pm and are up now between 8:00 - 8:30 am. Much more reasonable and we don’t have to stress out getting to bed early for a 7:50 am start time at school. No thank you to LCPS!

NP but it is super weird that you are so up in arms and defensive about this. Who cares what time other people's kids wake up?

We're all early risers in my family and are happy that way. My kid's 9:20 - 4:00 school day made her miserable. She'd be much happier with 8:00 - 2:45.

I don’t care at all. I had made one comment about how I wouldn’t enjoy the early start times in LCPS earlier. And then I was jumped on and told I must keep my kids up late and that I was psycho. And that I was asked if I had ever had a paying job. Please go back and reread the posts. If anything, it’s the PP who is defensive about the early start times in LCPS and insulting anyone who disagrees.

No, sorry, this is what you said: "I feel bad your kids get up so early. Between 6 and 6:30 am is not normal, sorry."

That was after I was called psycho and not a functioning adult.

Actually I just checked. It was after I was told I must not be a functioning adult and have a paying job but before I was called a psycho. Quit the name calling.

The average elementary school child does not wake between 6-6:30 am. That is earlier than most. I think the average is more like 7 ish.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this nonsense is why we chose to move to Loudoun. The gifted program is a minor after thought and not a separate curriculum. They also admit way fewer kids (with even higher scores) but all students remain in class together.

I’m starting to understand. The commute would be murder but I could own a horse farm out there for what I pay to live in FCPS. Now that I telework full-time it’s incredibly appealing.

PP here. I live 10 minutes north of Reston Town Center. The downtown commute is brutal, but places like Tyson’s, Reston, Chantilly and Herndon are fine.

NP but we're planning on moving here after my older child finishes 2nd grade (this year) mainly because we think AAP is horseshit.

PP here. My neighbor is an AART in FCPS and she deliberately chose LCPS for her kids because of the AAP craziness. I think you will be happy with your decision. We also have the best start times. 7:50 ES/8:30 MS/9:15 HS.

Yikes! 7:50 for elem sounds god awful!

It sounds awesome, as my kids wake up at 6 every day. Don't kids wake up later as they go from preschool to upper elementaryto middleschool? Plus it's very compatible with a dual income family's work schedule. If I drop off my ES kid at 9:20am, I don't get to work until 10:15. So I pay for SACC before care (pre covid). So do many other parents who use the SACC before care.

The 8am PP clearly doesn’t work. Most functioning adults aren’t horrified by having to wake up (or wake their kids up) before 8am.

This to me is insulting. Some adults, whether they work or not, are not morning people. I have always been a night owl. So often I am up until 12-1 am and yes, getting up before 8 am can be a challenge. But it has nothing to do with whether I work or not. I am lucky my kids now in the summer like to sleep in until 8-8:30. During the school year they were up by 7:30 am, and even that was hard at times. So, to me, having to get kids to school by 7:50 am would be terribly hard for 7 years of elementary school. Both of my kids need a lot of sleep. So I disagree that LCPS has the best start times.

You and your kids are going to have a rude awakening come 7th grade. It’s way earlier than LCPS ES.

Yes, I realize that. But at least it will only be for two years.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of white collar office jobs are cool with people strolling in at 9:30 or 10am? Not to mention how late you would have to work each day to get your hours in.

Mine is! (My kids still get up at 6:30 though!)

So you work until 6:00 or 6:30pm?

I work 6:30-2:30 to handle pickup. DH works 10-6 to handle drop off. It isn’t ideal but it prevents the need for child care.

We think a 6 am wake up time is too early and try to encourage DS to go back to sleep but he doesn’t. He stays in his room reading until 7. He didn’t sleep much as a baby either. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, all this "equity" crap really explains why China is eating our lunch for the last 20 years.

China is eating our lunch because all we invest in is military and war and they just do China.

China steals. No "dos"

They also use slave labor.

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Anonymous wrote:You can include a cogat report but if they can’t administer it and ensure every kid who applies has one they won’t factor it into admissions. It’s pretty simple. They cannot exclude kids who can’t get one and favor kids whose families can.

Yes they can. They have always allowed supplemental documentation.

Ok. By all means try to buy your kid’s way into AAP when they’re changing the process. No skin off anyone else’s back.

My kids are already in. But you don't know any more than anyone else does. You just sound bitter.

I’m not bitter. I just call it like I see it. FCPS says no cogat so privileged parents immediately say “I will schedule it myself and then you HAVE to take it.” The privilege and entitlement is something else.

They have to use something as a screening tool. It can’t just be teachers gut intuition which is totally subjective, as are school grades. What do you propose they use to screen?

Equity and quotas

Just like the VA legislature has stated they are.changing TJ admissions.

This is a shift from the state level on down to fcps.

Distance learning just makes it easier for fcps to flip the switch away from merit based admissions. Fcps has been trying to achieve an equity based, non merit admissions for years, at least a decade. The current make up of the state legislature, one sided school board, combined with coronavirus makes it possible.