Cheating Culture

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

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It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

Any time you give a student more time on a time pressured test, you aren't helping them reach their potential, you are giving them an advantage. Perhaps it's to counter some learning disability and we as a society have decided that extra time is fair and just but the correlation between family wealth and learning disabilities at some of the more expensive private schools is shockingly high.

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My kid came home and said don't go to a doctor who went to school post AI because they don't know the material, all of them are cheating and using AI. They also said that schools need to return to in person paper tests in a blue book to fix the problem.

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My DC said people cheat at their school. The most obvious example (but not the only one) was how some groups of international students from the same countries will arrive early to be able to sit together in clusters on exam day (when they don't otherwise - this was not a slight on any one country - they said the country of origin tends vary by class). I was surprised the professors didn't just assign seating on exam day to avoid clusters of kids who plan to copy off one another. (DC says some do - some don't)

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The Chinese cheating rings at UC's are open and notorious. It is what it is. If you want to get your blood to boil, just google that.

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My college they used to switch classes believe it or not. With a small class the professor assumed the student who showed up was actual student.

My roommate was funny he took same class a lot. Then swapped out a class that student. Almost economies of scale.

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cheating has always been around, kids "perfected" it during COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

Any time you give a student more time on a time pressured test, you aren't helping them reach their potential, you are giving them an advantage. Perhaps it's to counter some learning disability and we as a society have decided that extra time is fair and just but the correlation between family wealth and learning disabilities at some of the more expensive private schools is shockingly high.

You are so wrong. Thank goodness educators aren't listening to people like you (for now).

Getting a data-driven diagnosis for ADHD requires seeing a reputable psychiatrist, and that is the standard that the College Board and ACT tend to require in order to approve accommodations. (A pediatrician can prescribe meds, but it is based on reported symptoms from parents, teachers, and students.)

I can't think of any pediatric psychiatrists in this area that take insurance, and there are not many of them available. There is typically a 6 month (at least) wait to schedule a neuropanel with Stixrud, for example. Doing this testing also costs thousands of dollars. It is insane that getting effective treatment for a learning disability requires all these hoops and expenses, and the staggering cost is also out of reach for many families. So it is not "shocking" that most of the highly limited services are going to people who can afford them. I can assure you that I would be delighted to have saved the $ and time, but my (very intelligent) kids absolutely need the support.

So many kids needlessly suffer. I imagine that many bright kids slip through the cracks academically, not to mention the fact that kids with learning differences are more likely to turn to risky behaviors as a way to self-medicate. It is heartbreaking that our country is squandering our young people like this. But our culture has become increasingly Darwinian over the past couple of decades, and our industrial-era school systems have not been able to adjust with student needs and rapid change. We have the medical knowledge and tools now, but not the will to allocate resources accordingly. And biases and ignorance abound with parents, teachers, and admin. It all is just so sad and ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

Any time you give a student more time on a time pressured test, you aren't helping them reach their potential, you are giving them an advantage. Perhaps it's to counter some learning disability and we as a society have decided that extra time is fair and just but the correlation between family wealth and learning disabilities at some of the more expensive private schools is shockingly high.

You are so wrong. Thank goodness educators aren't listening to people like you (for now).

Getting a data-driven diagnosis for ADHD requires seeing a reputable psychiatrist, and that is the standard that the College Board and ACT tend to require in order to approve accommodations. (A pediatrician can prescribe meds, but it is based on reported symptoms from parents, teachers, and students.)

And those diagnoses seem to be easier to get for rich kids at our private school. Pretty much every kid that can't keep up academically gets diagnosed with some learning disability.

I can't think of any pediatric psychiatrists in this area that take insurance, and there are not many of them available. There is typically a 6 month (at least) wait to schedule a neuropanel with Stixrud, for example. Doing this testing also costs thousands of dollars. It is insane that getting effective treatment for a learning disability requires all these hoops and expenses, and the staggering cost is also out of reach for many families. So it is not "shocking" that most of the highly limited services are going to people who can afford them. I can assure you that I would be delighted to have saved the $ and time, but my (very intelligent) kids absolutely need the support.

A lot of kids can seem intelligent if the parents pay to get them extra time on tests. Maybe your kid is very intelligent but has some condition that means that intelligence can only present itself if given more time than other people, but there is absolutely a lot of shenanigans going on.

So many kids needlessly suffer. I imagine that many bright kids slip through the cracks academically, not to mention the fact that kids with learning differences are more likely to turn to risky behaviors as a way to self-medicate. It is heartbreaking that our country is squandering our young people like this. But our culture has become increasingly Darwinian over the past couple of decades, and our industrial-era school systems have not been able to adjust with student needs and rapid change. We have the medical knowledge and tools now, but not the will to allocate resources accordingly. And biases and ignorance abound with parents, teachers, and admin. It all is just so sad and ridiculous.

Or people are abusing this label like those asholes that abused "emotional support animal" so they could take their pets everywhere and fcvked it up for the people that really needed it.

Maybe

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Anonymous wrote:I heard one of the STEM classes just had their final moved to in person because so many of the students cheated in the previous online exams.[/quo


Why are you reactivating an old thread with gossip? What is your agenda?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard one of the STEM classes just had their final moved to in person because so many of the students cheated in the previous online exams.[/quo


Why are you reactivating an old thread with gossip? What is your agenda?

My agenda is that I’m literally just blown away by the amount of cheating. What does this mean for the next generation of the workforce. Already, one of the big 4 accounting firms had cheating scandal in their training program and fired several employees. All I hear on DCUM is about everyone’s perfect 4.0 kids. How much of that is real and how much is cheating? I suspect some of the cheating is caused by this perfection standard we have for our kids. It’s insane and it is a good part illusion. Our kids aren’t perfect. They are propped up by grade inflation and cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard one of the STEM classes just had their final moved to in person because so many of the students cheated in the previous online exams.[/quo


Why are you reactivating an old thread with gossip? What is your agenda?

My agenda is that I’m literally just blown away by the amount of cheating. What does this mean for the next generation of the workforce. Already, one of the big 4 accounting firms had cheating scandal in their training program and fired several employees. All I hear on DCUM is about everyone’s perfect 4.0 kids. How much of that is real and how much is cheating? I suspect some of the cheating is caused by this perfection standard we have for our kids. It’s insane and it is a good part illusion. Our kids aren’t perfect. They are propped up by grade inflation and cheating.

And I don’t just think it’s UVA, my kid just happens to go there and they tout their so-called honor code.