Cheating Culture

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.

https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

Double-Hoo here. The UVa Honor Code back years ago largely was "honored" by violating it - from what I observed over almost a decade. Faculty often (not always) had given up on the system and just assigned F or zero when they detected cheating.

Back then, the single sanction (expulsion) meant very few actually were punished. Usually, a violation would get categorized as "not serious enough" and the person would receive no punishment from the Honor Committee.

More recently, there were changes and they have a range of sanctions available. Unclear to me if that improved the outcomes or not.

Can't speak to that many years back. Current system works well. Students involved are highly respected on campus. Trials are well-done but discreet. Law students are often involved. Sanctions seem appropriate

Law School students have been routinely involved for at least 50 years now. That aspect, at least, is not new.

I certainly hope PP is right, but I remain somewhat skeptical that cheating has declined.

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I heard one of the STEM classes just had their final moved to in person because so many of the students cheated in the previous online exams.

[Anonymous]

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

/s/ The Entire Political Class of the District of Columbia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your not cheating, your not trying.

You're

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Surprised the prof does not use lockdown browser with video recording. Lockdown will flag any suspicious activity, including noise and movement. Not hard to catch cheaters if they care enough to try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disappointing but not shocking.
At our fcps school, there was a senior last year who proudly posted ED acceptance to UVA and it was well known that the student bragged to peers constantly about cheating on tests and homework assignments. Frustrating to other classmates in a test optional environment when GPA from a highly competitive “M” high school counts for so much.

Know a girl who was famous for cheating in every single class starting in middle school. Went to a T3 public high school in FCPS, graduated with a high GPA and is now at UVA studying something in the humanities. Was rejected by every single school better than UVA.

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My kid is at UVA. Takes academic oath of honesty seriously. On the other hand, a girl from my kid’s high school class cheated for two years in science class (she had access to the quiz and exam questions and answers) and is now at Swarthmore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Why would anyone pay money for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

Your statement is BS. This just is not true. Please stop spreading lies and stigmatizing kids with disabilities who are already fighting an uphill battle in life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard one of the STEM classes just had their final moved to in person because so many of the students cheated in the previous online exams.

Totally believable. There was widespread cheating in a particular Physics class about 15-20 years back. That Prof got fed up and pursued the honor system. Big UVa scandal. A number of students were expelled.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

+1 its as if the PP thinks all the kids with accommodations have 4.0s and perfect test scores plus have time for hours and hours of pointy ECs, and are taking all the CS seats at MIT. PP is just an ar$e.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.

https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

Double-Hoo here. The UVa Honor Code back years ago largely was "honored" by violating it - from what I observed over almost a decade. Faculty often (not always) had given up on the system and just assigned F or zero when they detected cheating.

Back then, the single sanction (expulsion) meant very few actually were punished. Usually, a violation would get categorized as "not serious enough" and the person would receive no punishment from the Honor Committee.

More recently, there were changes and they have a range of sanctions available. Unclear to me if that improved the outcomes or not.

My former childhood soccer coach was expelled for cheating back in the 80s.

[Anonymous]

A ton of big universities have cheating, because they have few proctors for exams and the standards for adjuncts aren't exactly high, but the department can pressure them to do almost anything, including increasing test averages if the grades are too low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

Your statement is BS. This just is not true. Please stop spreading lies and stigmatizing kids with disabilities who are already fighting an uphill battle in life.

DP. Yes, they are frequently BS.

Not always but frequently.

Don't attack the people calling BS, attack the people engaging in the BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Why would anyone pay money for that?

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