Cheating Culture
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Anonymous
From the article: “ Third, students who submit an “informed retraction,” admitting guilt before trial, are no longer automatically suspended for two semesters. Instead, those who demonstrate accountability for their honor code violation will, in concert with the person who brings the charge and a special Panel for Sanction, “agree upon appropriate sanctions that reflects [sic] the student’s recommitment to the Community of Trust,” the Honor Committee wrote.” Say what you will; they’ve drastically watered down the punishments for cheating. |
Anonymous
Can you read? Unlimited support? The reality is that despite documented disabilities and meaningful daily adversity, they get no extra support these days. They are routinely working longer and harder than neurotypical kids to achieve their goals, but no one cares. And your crazy solution is that I should demand special schools? Sorry, I'm not that entitled. Extended time is a medically sound and educationally appropriate approach protected by law that LEVELS the playing for these kids. It is not an advantage! And you object to that for some unhinged perception that your child is harmed. Are you interested in taking away corrective eyeglasses for kids with less than perfect vision? Taking away wheelchairs for kids who can't walk? The extra time is the equivalent concept of a needed support for a physical disability. I'm truly sad that you are so bitter and insecure and lacking in empathy for others. I can only imagine the values you are teaching at home. Zero sum is very clear in your household. My kids are loved, kind and smart and have very bright futures. No pampering required, thanks. |
Anonymous
For what it’s worth, my kid with time and a half accommodation also had to rush through the last 10 or so questions of the ACT so I’m not sure extended time when you actually have a disability is the weapon you think it is. By the way, she got a 26, so which college did she keep your kid out of? |
Anonymous
Don’t fret, my fellow mom of a kid with LDs. Our kids leave grit and determination. They know how to work and they shine in the workplace. We just have to get them through school and into the right place. |
Anonymous
I’d pick the lawyer that was best and could win my case, not the cheapest lawyer but you do you. |
Anonymous
+1. Plenty of brilliant professionals have learning disabilities. The term for gifted students with learning disabilities is 2E, in case you actually are interested in learning something constructive. Anyone who parents kids like this knows that it is sometimes grueling and disheartening, but often incredible and beautiful observing the way that these kids' brains work. They often see the world in a non-linear, creative way that is breathtaking. They often become innovators and entrepreneurs, and yes- sometimes really successful lawyers. But, as PP said, you do you. |
Anonymous
Thank you! People like this make me tired. But you are absolutely right. |
Anonymous
That PP is just ignorant. Ignore it. |
Anonymous
If I were on trial for murder, sure. For routine legal paperwork? You bet I would look at price. |
Anonymous
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NP with another perspective on the "extended time accommodation" argument:
In school I had extended time (time and a half on most written exams; double time in math the year I took geometry). I had the extended time because I have a physical disability (cerebral palsy) that means I have a hard time making intentional coordinated muscle movements. So basically it was both harder and slower for me to write by hand or color in tiny answer bubbles compared to a typical student for the grade. Extended time didn't really give me more time than other students to think or compose an answer per question because I spent the "extra" time fighting against the limitations of my brain and muscles. In my job almost everything can be done on the computer and that removes most of the difficulties that made things take so long for me in school, especially when I can add adaptive technology. Plenty of kids need time related accommodations to remove a barrier in school who might find fewer barriers in different environments in their future. |
Anonymous
I can't speak to that specific situation or article, but the simple answer is that LDs can be complicated, and sometimes deficits can also be accompanied by gifts. ADHD is misunderstood by most, and medicine is still learning about the brain's functions. But I think of it as a dopamine regulation disorder. One of my kids can write an impressive paper, solve sophisticated math problems in BC Calc, and (when under a time pressure) produce an extraordinary amount of work in a short time. The same kid can then forget to turn that assignment in or notice very basic punctuation mistakes. DC is highly intelligent but cognitively could not reliably be successful in a math quiz bowl scenario because they can't consistently do mental math that quickly. But they can independently make impressive leaps in math theory, according to their teacher. So there are skills in being able to "hyper focus" and see connections in unusual ways. That can translate to the gift column. But then the hyper focusing can result in forgetting a meeting or an assignment. The kid can go down a rabbit hole for hours when interested in something. Boring tasks and details are also more painful for an ADHD student, so they tend to gloss over those. My guess is that your doctor example can dial it in on diagnostics and see all those unusual connections. It takes a lot of work for a student like this to develop executive function skills and the disciplined process to check over details in their work to achieve parity with what comes naturally to neurotypical kids from the outset. Proofreading and editing is really important for my kids and they need time to do that, for example. |
Anonymous
May you have a grandchild diagnosed with this disorder - some people have to live it, I guess to believe. |
Anonymous
Isn’t that we as a nation just voted for - the Trump model of cheating? Parents who voted for Trump better not get worked up about fairness when another kid surpasses their kids in terms of performance by cheating. Voters just validated and normalized this as acceptable! |
Anonymous
Double-Hoo here. The UVa Honor Code back years ago largely was "honored" by violating it - from what I observed over almost a decade. Faculty often (not always) had given up on the system and just assigned F or zero when they detected cheating. Back then, the single sanction (expulsion) meant very few actually were punished. Usually, a violation would get categorized as "not serious enough" and the person would receive no punishment from the Honor Committee. More recently, there were changes and they have a range of sanctions available. Unclear to me if that improved the outcomes or not. |
Anonymous
Can't speak to that many years back. Current system works well. Students involved are highly respected on campus. Trials are well-done but discreet. Law students are often involved. Sanctions seem appropriate |