Cheating Culture

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

I was going by this: https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-students-vote-change-honor-sanction-expulsion-two-semester-suspension

I was actually involved in an honor code violation trial when I was there that resulted in the expulsion of the student. It was for cheating in a class that I was a TA for.

From what I heard, most of the cases are settled pre-trial for much less than even suspension. My understanding is that expulsion rarely, if ever, happens. Does the parent with the child on the Honor Committee have any insight on that?

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

If the test is now so easy your kid can probably get that 36 you want. So it doesn't matter to them or to you whether my kid is accommodated, does it?

And don't worry, my ADHD kid does performing arts, so all that extra time isn't going to give them a math score to take a seat away from anyone who wants to study CS anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If she's a first year, she probably doesn't know yet that first year cheating rings got caught last year and people were held accountable.

You need to address her attitude immediately before she gets swept up in this. The professors with the big classes of first years know what's going on and set traps. She's going to get caught.

This laying a trap would be an interesting way to eliminate the competition for McIntyre.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?

Wow, PP, this is some pretty angry stuff. You must assume that accommodations for students who actually need them make these kids into invincible winners in the college race. As the parent of an accommodated kid I'm here to tell you that the idea is to let them reach their potential. It's not to take anything away from your DC.

There is a vast spectrum of needs in the 504 and IEP categories. Some of them are easy to meet. Some are harder. Both sometimes get underaccommodated and need advocacy to help put the pieces back together. But it's very, very far from pampering.

I think the calls of “cheating” for extra time comes because many NT kids feel time pressure on tests and feel their score would be higher if they had more time. So, they can also “do the work - it just takes longer”. However, they are correctly not diagnosed with a LD and do not have any accommodations. Couple that with the perception that you can specialist shop until you get the accommodation you want, and you can see why you see these types of unkind responses. I mean, one never hears about someone being angry that a kid got to use a cane while everyone else cannot. It’s because the cane would not be an advantage to the average student while extra time absolutely would.

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I always hear how easy it is to get accommodations and yes I watched Varsity Blues, but my friend did not have that experience. Her smart diagnosed ADHD kid did not have a 504 or plan in place for high school, for A/B longer class times didn’t necessitate it. They tried to get accommodation for ACT, struggled in reading with timing and were denied and on appeal. Seems they are denying those that don’t have a documented use of accommodations or at least in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:If she's a first year, she probably doesn't know yet that first year cheating rings got caught last year and people were held accountable.

You need to address her attitude immediately before she gets swept up in this. The professors with the big classes of first years know what's going on and set traps. She's going to get caught.

This laying a trap would be an interesting way to eliminate the competition for McIntyre.

It's spelled McIntire

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

Time is a constraint in economics and in life. That's why some people get paid hourly wages. Should slower people get paid for more hours because they can do the same work in twice the time? Or should some people get paid twice as much because they can do it quicker?

They are unlikely to be taking standardized tests in real life for a salary.

This. Very few professional jobs operate under real time pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

+100. As parent of a kid with a legitimate disability that grants them extended time I’d be fine if every student received time and a half. My guess is the vast majority of parents of kids with LDs would feel the exact same way.

Your kid getting extra time makes no difference to my kids score.

There are studies that show that in general, for most tests, kids that do not need extra time don’t do better with extra time. They get around the same score. Kids that need extra time actually do better with extra time which confirms the need.

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

I was going by this: https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-students-vote-change-honor-sanction-expulsion-two-semester-suspension

I was actually involved in an honor code violation trial when I was there that resulted in the expulsion of the student. It was for cheating in a class that I was a TA for.

From what I heard, most of the cases are settled pre-trial for much less than even suspension. My understanding is that expulsion rarely, if ever, happens. Does the parent with the child on the Honor Committee have any insight on that?

Wrong. Expulsions do happen https://news.virginia.edu/content/honor-vote-restores-expulsion-option-new-multi-sanction-system#:~:text=Students%20at%20the%20University,new%2C%20multi%2Dsanction%20system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

I was going by this: https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-students-vote-change-honor-sanction-expulsion-two-semester-suspension

I was actually involved in an honor code violation trial when I was there that resulted in the expulsion of the student. It was for cheating in a class that I was a TA for.

If you had bothered to check you would know that expulsion was reinstated in 2023. https://news.virginia.edu/content/honor-vote-restores-expulsion-option-new-multi-sanction-system#:~:text=Students%20at%20the%20University,new%2C%20multi%2Dsanction%20system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

No surprise. This is what happens when there is no direct admit to professional schools. You have to compete for slots in McIntire, so of course some kids are going to cheat in this environment. Same way many routinely cheated their way into UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

+100. As parent of a kid with a legitimate disability that grants them extended time I’d be fine if every student received time and a half. My guess is the vast majority of parents of kids with LDs would feel the exact same way.

Your kid getting extra time makes no difference to my kids score.

There are studies that show that in general, for most tests, kids that do not need extra time don’t do better with extra time. They get around the same score. Kids that need extra time actually do better with extra time which confirms the need.

Problem solved. I disagree though that kids won’t overall do better. There are many times when kids are rushing through the last 5 - 10 questions because of time constraints.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

Time is a constraint in economics and in life. That's why some people get paid hourly wages. Should slower people get paid for more hours because they can do the same work in twice the time? Or should some people get paid twice as much because they can do it quicker?

They are unlikely to be taking standardized tests in real life for a salary.

This. Very few professional jobs operate under real time pressure.

Here is what I don’t get about the various LDs and time constraints.

I read an article about an ER doctor and how their diagnosis was a “superpower”. I can’t remember the diagnosis, but it allowed that doctor to make great decisions under obscene time constraints…literally life-and-death.

So, what gives?

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

Time is a constraint in economics and in life. That's why some people get paid hourly wages. Should slower people get paid for more hours because they can do the same work in twice the time? Or should some people get paid twice as much because they can do it quicker?

They are unlikely to be taking standardized tests in real life for a salary.

This. Very few professional jobs operate under real time pressure.

Really? Let’s take a lawyer. They bill by the hour. If I were lawyer shopping, I would want someone who could deal with my case efficiently. I am not interested in paying time and a half to accommodate my lawyer’s LD.