Cheating Culture

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Someone's fudging the truth. UVA incoming classes are only 4,400 students. I can assure that 1/6 of your DD's class is not taking Financial Accounting. UVA takes great pride in that it is much smaller than many other public universities at a total of 17,000. Faculty to student ratio is 1:15. 53% of the classes have fewer than 20 students in them. My kids' majors were all very small seminars from sophomore year on .

I'm not fudging. There are 700 kids on the class. Ask the other. parent who posted about the class. The Econ classes are also 400-500 kids.

Highly unlikely. My kid took macro (Ken Elzingaand micro. 130 students each time. UVA publishes lists of classrooms by sizeMost are under 30. The largest is chem at 480 capacity and nursing at 430. There are no econ classrooms that large . Seehttps://classrooms.its.virginia.edu/list

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Someone's fudging the truth. UVA incoming classes are only 4,400 students. I can assure that 1/6 of your DD's class is not taking Financial Accounting. UVA takes great pride in that it is much smaller than many other public universities at a total of 17,000. Faculty to student ratio is 1:15. 53% of the classes have fewer than 20 students in them. My kids' majors were all very small seminars from sophomore year on .

I'm not fudging. There are 700 kids on the class. Ask the other. parent who posted about the class. The Econ classes are also 400-500 kids.

Highly unlikely. My kid took macro (Ken Elzingaand micro. 130 students each time. UVA publishes lists of classrooms by sizeMost are under 30. The largest is chem at 480 capacity and nursing at 430. There are no econ classrooms that large . Seehttps://classrooms.its.virginia.edu/list

I don't know why you keep calling me a liar. My kid is actually at. UVA and is in an Econ class that is over 400 kids. It's the largest class ever. They even took a picture. Financial Accounting is 700 + online. I think it is because this year is the switch from applying second year to Macintire to applying first year so there are twice as many kids in the prerequisites.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

Time is a constraint in economics and in life. That's why some people get paid hourly wages. Should slower people get paid for more hours because they can do the same work in twice the time? Or should some people get paid twice as much because they can do it quicker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.

They. can do the work. It just takes longer. There is a dyslexia siimulator I'd love for you to take.

Time is a constraint in economics and in life. That's why some people get paid hourly wages. Should slower people get paid for more hours because they can do the same work in twice the time? Or should some people get paid twice as much because they can do it quicker?

They are unlikely to be taking standardized tests in real life for a salary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

So what are the ramifications for cheating? Are. kids. getting expelled or failing classes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Someone's fudging the truth. UVA incoming classes are only 4,400 students. I can assure that 1/6 of your DD's class is not taking Financial Accounting. UVA takes great pride in that it is much smaller than many other public universities at a total of 17,000. Faculty to student ratio is 1:15. 53% of the classes have fewer than 20 students in them. My kids' majors were all very small seminars from sophomore year on .

I'm not fudging. There are 700 kids on the class. Ask the other. parent who posted about the class. The Econ classes are also 400-500 kids.

Highly unlikely. My kid took macro (Ken Elzingaand micro. 130 students each time. UVA publishes lists of classrooms by sizeMost are under 30. The largest is chem at 480 capacity and nursing at 430. There are no econ classrooms that large . Seehttps://classrooms.its.virginia.edu/list

I don't know why you keep calling me a liar. My kid is actually at. UVA and is in an Econ class that is over 400 kids. It's the largest class ever. They even took a picture. Financial Accounting is 700 + online. I think it is because this year is the switch from applying second year to Macintire to applying first year so there are twice as many kids in the prerequisites.

DP. I'm at UVA and just checked. There is no online Financial Accounting class of 700 at UVA. That IS 1/6 of the incoming class - Financial Accounting has never been that popular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

So what are the ramifications for cheating? Are. kids. getting expelled or failing classes?

can't you read? there are student-run trials. Yes kids get expelled. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

[Anonymous]

A student at my kid’s former HS science class cheated for two years (had access to the quiz and exam questions beforehand) and is now at Swarthmore. Probably cheating there too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

So what are the ramifications for cheating? Are. kids. getting expelled or failing classes?

can't you read? there are student-run trials. Yes kids get expelled. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

+1.The UVA Honor System and pledge is so famous that it has its own wiki page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_system_at_the_University_of_Virginia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

So what are the ramifications for cheating? Are. kids. getting expelled or failing classes?

can't you read? there are student-run trials. Yes kids get expelled. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

+1.The UVA Honor System and pledge is so famous that it has its own wiki page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_system_at_the_University_of_Virginia

Kids there do not seem to realize that cheaters gets expelled. For one class, there is a text string with kids cheating and exchanging exam answers (no, my kid is not on it but it was offered to them). No one seems to care. The honor court should be more out front about the true ramifications of cheating. Maybe scare the kids a little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

They used to be. I think they’re moving away from enforcement of that.

Why do you comment when you don't even know the system. "They" is not the university, it's a student-run operation and taken very seriously. My DD served as a judge in student trials. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

So what are the ramifications for cheating? Are. kids. getting expelled or failing classes?

can't you read? there are student-run trials. Yes kids get expelled. https://provost.virginia.edu/faculty-handbook/honor-system-and-faculty

+1.The UVA Honor System and pledge is so famous that it has its own wiki page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_system_at_the_University_of_Virginia

My kid is at UVA and takes the Honor System and pledge very seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. As a parent of two children with diagnosed learning disabilities, I can assure you that the thousands of hours I have spent dealing with medication shortages, getting testing, support, medical appointments, etc have been no walk in the park. I would love for my children to have missed that pain and stigma and hassle on a daily basis. This is not some ploy to deprive your little Larlo of his grade or test score.

Not to mention dealing with jerks like you who judge children, and allow your children to bully them. There is a reason why medical conditions aren't publicly available because of public ignorance. My family has lived through it all.

Just because there are fraudulent people in this world doesn't negate my kids' right to have educational supports. And in a post-COVID educational world, accommodations are the only remaining supports seemingly available. Teachers are too exhausted and overworked to support our kids most of the time. They are on their own, usually getting their own grades compromised because they struggle to accommodate an educational system that is a factory instead of a place for differentiated learning.

It's still not fair. You can't ask that a kid get unlimited support and then hide it from admissions officers and employers in the name of privacy. Education is a zero sum arena because there aren't an infinite number of teachers, classes, and funds. Many kids get close to zero support from teachers because they're deemed smart enough to teach themselves in class while other kids get all the attention. You're just egocentrically selfish and entitled when you care little about what happens to other kids and you expect those parents to obviously sympathize with yours. If you really cared you'd demand for the creation of sped schools that have 100% sped specialists that could pamper and cater to your kids. But that's not your actual goal, is it?