Cheating Culture

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

[/b]So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

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No, your conclusion makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Someone's fudging the truth. UVA incoming classes are only 4,400 students. I can assure that 1/6 of your DD's class is not taking Financial Accounting. UVA takes great pride in that it is much smaller than many other public universities at a total of 17,000. Faculty to student ratio is 1:15. 53% of the classes have fewer than 20 students in them. My kids' majors were all very small seminars from sophomore year on .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

My kid reports everyone cheats in this class as well. My kid does not and probably will get a lower grade which will go against them for McIntire (which I believe influences the cheating culture since it is so competitive to get in)

So, by your reasoning then, Harvard Law is contributing to a cheating culture because "it is so competitive to get in"? You are making no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

Yes, give everyone extra time…it can’t be unlimited or nobody would proctor the test…but just give everyone 50% more time (or whatever) and call it a day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

Yes, give everyone extra time…it can’t be unlimited or nobody would proctor the test…but just give everyone 50% more time (or whatever) and call it a day.

But some kids now get more than 50% more time. Mine gets that, but I know others who get more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

Yes, give everyone extra time…it can’t be unlimited or nobody would proctor the test…but just give everyone 50% more time (or whatever) and call it a day.

You make no sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

+1

It was one of the ploys in the Varsity Blues scandal

I do think since the ACT is truly time sensitive that the kids that get extra time should have a * next to their scores that indicates they received extra time. Too many use the paid diagnosis for this.

Yes. I think it's 3 extra hours for the SAT. That's ridiculous and not fair, regardless of if it's a real diagnosis. They don't have to disclose that they had this time advantage when applying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

Yes, give everyone extra time…it can’t be unlimited or nobody would proctor the test…but just give everyone 50% more time (or whatever) and call it a day.

But some kids now get more than 50% more time. Mine gets that, but I know others who get more.

Fine...give whatever the most kid gets to everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she signed thr UVA Honor Code, at matriculation, which everyone does, she is obligated to report. Honor violations are a very big thing at UVA.



https://honor.virginia.edu/course/honor-code#:~:text=The%20Honor%20Code%20of%20the,lie%2C%20cheat%2C%20or%20steal

She has no actual evidence. People just mention that “everyone” uses Chat GPT for the online test they just had, etc. People have told her the prof in that class knows but does not know how to fix it. I feel like they have this honor code but it is a bit of a smokescreen. It’s my understand kids who cheat get a 0 on the exam and have to write an apology letter. It does not sound like kids are getting expelled. They just get perfect GPAs and get into McIntire and Batton.

What kind of test is this...and isn't an easy way to fix it to make everyone take the test in-person and not online?

Financial Accounting. Over 700 kids and it is an online class with online tests.

Someone's fudging the truth. UVA incoming classes are only 4,400 students. I can assure that 1/6 of your DD's class is not taking Financial Accounting. UVA takes great pride in that it is much smaller than many other public universities at a total of 17,000. Faculty to student ratio is 1:15. 53% of the classes have fewer than 20 students in them. My kids' majors were all very small seminars from sophomore year on .

I'm not fudging. There are 700 kids on the class. Ask the other. parent who posted about the class. The Econ classes are also 400-500 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all of these “ADHD” extra time blah blah diagnoses a form of cheating? Yes. They are.

No. They are not. If a kid has a legitimate diagnosis from a qualified professional, that is not cheating. Sounds like maybe you are trying to justify your kid’s cheating through someone else’s disability.

The diagnosis is frequently BS.

You do not know this. You are parroting lies and hurting kids who are working twice as hard for half the reward and hearing people like you make them feel even worse about themselves for having ADHD. Be better.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few kids that pay for the diagnosis.

There needs to be a better way to make it harder for the fraudsters.

Stop ignoring that it happens actually quite a bit…and get as outraged as the rest of us.

I have not seen this. I have an adhd kid and know many others. All legit. We are public school, so perhaps the Uber wealthy Varisty Blues types, but those are few and far between.

I thinking the prevalence of cheating culture is born out of our current political climate. Sure, there was cheating before, but since 2016, we have had a political leader who has campaigned on winning at any cost, gaoming curry by perpetuating crazy lies and conspiracies to move the needle to his aims. It's this mentality that truth is relative and the "greater truth " is the "truth " that suits me. So students think the greater truth is that they need to pass this class, which isn't truth at all, just what will serve them because truth seems to be relative now.

So, isn't the easy solution to just give everyone extra time?

So unlimited time for everyone? I’m a parent of a kid with LDs. I couldn’t care less if your kid gets unlimited time. I just know every assignment, every reading, etc. takes my kid twice as much time as yours so I get why she needs extra time, but if you feel it’s cheating, I’d rather your kid get extra time too than call my kid a cheater (which I firmly believe she is not). I wish parents of neurotypical kids would understand how hard it is to function with an LD, but whatever.

They've already made the test:
- easier and easier (several times)
- shorter
- calculator friendly
- perfect score can be attained with wrong answers

This probably sounds rude for the entitled but: If your kid still needs more time or other aid, maybe you ought to think they're not cut out for the test instead of trying to make them fit in a box.