New Elon Jewish take

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Anonymous wrote:"A sacred circle is drawn around those whom the progressive modern left are prepared to go into battle for, and it seems as if the Jews aren't in it. Why? Well, there are lots of answers. But the basic one, underpinning all others, is that Jews are the only objects of racism who are imagined -by the racists- as both low and high status. Jews are stereotyped, by the racists, in all the same ways that other minorities are -as lying, thieving, dirty, vile, stinking- but also as moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world. Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity's secret masters. And it's this racist mythology that's in the air when the left pause before putting Jews into their sacred circle. Because all the people in the sacred circle are oppressed. And if you believe, even a little bit, that Jews are moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world... well, you can't put them into the sacred circle of the oppressed. Some might even say they belong in the damned circle of the oppressors."

- David Baddiel, Jews Don't Count: How Identity Politics Failed One Particular Identity

You do know that David baddiel is a known anti-black racist, yes?

You might not know this because you aren’t from the UK but baddiel is the type of Jew to say “schvartze” left and right.

I actually am from the UK and I do know David Baddiel. You’re talking about the blackface in the 1990s, right? I don’t approve of that (he did apologise much later) but I don’t see why it negates what he wrote about Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

What do you want Jews to do? Which Jews have been Jewish in the “right” way?

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

Most minorities have assimilated to an extend while still keeping ties to their culture and in this case religion.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:For those of you having trouble putting all of this in context, the middle guy essentially espoused a version of the "Great Replacement Theory" which is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that Jews are trying to replace White people with immigrants. You may remember this from Charlottesville when the tiki torch crowd was chanting, "Jews will not replace us". They were not worried that Jews would replace them with Jews, but that Jews would replace them with immigrants. This was also the motivation of the guy who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh.

So, this is who Musk has now aligned himself.

I don’t understand. It all sounds insane, but what would the motivation for this purported “replacement”? What would Jews stand to gain from this? Who the fk believes this lunacy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% on the side of Israel & Jewish people. I’m sickened by the protests in the US & around the world.

I am not Jewish but have Jewish relatives, all of whom leaned Left politically. I have told them for years that they are asking for trouble by aligning themselves with the Left. The Left exploits Jews just as they exploit blacks. They want your votes but don’t care about you. Communists will quickly turn on Jews. And as we have seen, American Democrats have a seething hatred for Jews.

Like it or not, the best friends the Jewish people and Israel have are American conservatives. I know it is a shock to many Jews to even think about that, but you have to get past your prior assumptions. It’s not the conservative or evangelical or Catholic students who are hassling Jewish students on college campuses & tearing down posters with hostages’ pictures on them. Actions speak louder than words.

That's just not true. Conservatives might support Israel - but they are not our friends on anything else.

Biden is doing a good job with Israel.

Great, keep your head buried in the sand. You are as gullible as a beaten wife who thinks her husband really loves her. Biden is a figurehead who pretends to back Israel but tells THEM to calm down & be careful of hurting civilians! Your own stubborn hubris will be your downfall. 100% of people chanting “From the river to the sea” voted Democrat. Yeah, side with them. Smart move.

Trump ate dinner with a Nazi and called the Charlottesville marchers very fine people.

My head isn't in the sand. And I don't have any words for you about Biden being a figurehead - he's not. And in fact I think he's the best president of my 50-year lifetime. I'm worried looking at the people on the far left - and even those who aren't - who do seem to be showing their true colors WRT how they feel about people like me. But they aren't in power. And gd willing they won't be.

Like I said, I'm glad the conservatives at least like Israel even if they hate lots of the rest of my family and are destructive to others of my interests. Israel isn't my ONLY interest as a Jew or as a person.

You show yourself to be an un-serious person if you still believe Trump called the Charlottesville Nazis fine people. Listen to the full clip. He said he was referring to people who didn’t want the statues harmed, NOT the Nazis. This has been explained millions of times. Strike one.

Biden’s not a figurehead? Strike two.

Your kid is being pushed around by Democrats on a college campus. Trump is happy that his favorite daughter married a Jew. You weigh these two truths & decide it’s the Democrats who really like Jews. Strike three!

Congratulations! You win the Self-Destructive Gullible Moron of the Year Award!

Give. It. Up.

He said “very fine people on both sides” because his base is largely comprised of rural, redneck fks who like these old confederate statues. Trump is an opportunist. That you can’t see that, and that he is a piece of sht with 94 pending felonies, is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% on the side of Israel & Jewish people. I’m sickened by the protests in the US & around the world.

I am not Jewish but have Jewish relatives, all of whom leaned Left politically. I have told them for years that they are asking for trouble by aligning themselves with the Left. The Left exploits Jews just as they exploit blacks. They want your votes but don’t care about you. Communists will quickly turn on Jews. And as we have seen, American Democrats have a seething hatred for Jews.

Like it or not, the best friends the Jewish people and Israel have are American conservatives. I know it is a shock to many Jews to even think about that, but you have to get past your prior assumptions. It’s not the conservative or evangelical or Catholic students who are hassling Jewish students on college campuses & tearing down posters with hostages’ pictures on them. Actions speak louder than words.

That's just not true. Conservatives might support Israel - but they are not our friends on anything else.

Biden is doing a good job with Israel.

Great, keep your head buried in the sand. You are as gullible as a beaten wife who thinks her husband really loves her. Biden is a figurehead who pretends to back Israel but tells THEM to calm down & be careful of hurting civilians! Your own stubborn hubris will be your downfall. 100% of people chanting “From the river to the sea” voted Democrat. Yeah, side with them. Smart move.

Trump ate dinner with a Nazi and called the Charlottesville marchers very fine people.

My head isn't in the sand. And I don't have any words for you about Biden being a figurehead - he's not. And in fact I think he's the best president of my 50-year lifetime. I'm worried looking at the people on the far left - and even those who aren't - who do seem to be showing their true colors WRT how they feel about people like me. But they aren't in power. And gd willing they won't be.

Like I said, I'm glad the conservatives at least like Israel even if they hate lots of the rest of my family and are destructive to others of my interests. Israel isn't my ONLY interest as a Jew or as a person.

You show yourself to be an un-serious person if you still believe Trump called the Charlottesville Nazis fine people. Listen to the full clip. He said he was referring to people who didn’t want the statues harmed, NOT the Nazis. This has been explained millions of times. Strike one.

Biden’s not a figurehead? Strike two.

Your kid is being pushed around by Democrats on a college campus. Trump is happy that his favorite daughter married a Jew. You weigh these two truths & decide it’s the Democrats who really like Jews. Strike three!

Congratulations! You win the Self-Destructive Gullible Moron of the Year Award!

Give. It. Up.

He said “very fine people on both sides” because his base is largely comprised of rural, redneck fks who like these old confederate statues. Trump is an opportunist. That you can’t see that, and that he is a piece of sht with 94 pending felonies, is absurd.

To expand on this. Trump can’t go against the racist, ignorant, bigoted elements of his base or he would lose votes. There are no “very fine people on both sides”. There are only redneck fks who chant racist slogans and there’s everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

What do you want Jews to do? Which Jews have been Jewish in the “right” way?

Drake

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:For those of you having trouble putting all of this in context, the middle guy essentially espoused a version of the "Great Replacement Theory" which is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that Jews are trying to replace White people with immigrants. You may remember this from Charlottesville when the tiki torch crowd was chanting, "Jews will not replace us". They were not worried that Jews would replace them with Jews, but that Jews would replace them with immigrants. This was also the motivation of the guy who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh.

So, this is who Musk has now aligned himself.

I don’t understand. It all sounds insane, but what would the motivation for this purported “replacement”? What would Jews stand to gain from this? Who the fk believes this lunacy?

Of course it is insane. But, I think you can trace the evolution of this thinking like this:

1) first was the allegation that immigrants were replacing American workers by accepting lower pay for the same job;
2) second was the allegation that immigrants would get citizenship, maybe via amnesty, and then vote for Democrats;
3) third was the allegation that Democrats supported "open borders" in order to get more Democratic voters because of (2) above;
4) fourth was the realization that most Jews vote Democratic and some wealthy Jews (e.g. George Soros) were spending money on liberal causes.

This all led to:

Jews are supporting open borders in order to attract immigrants who will replace American workers and vote for Democrats leaving "real Americans" (i.e. White People) without jobs or political power. In other words, a Jewish war on white Americans.

The guy who Musk said spoke the truth refuses to fill sorry for Jews who face antisemitism because he believes that they are facing hatred from immigrants (not necessarily true) and that Jews are responsible for those immigrants being here (also not true).

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:For those of you having trouble putting all of this in context, the middle guy essentially espoused a version of the "Great Replacement Theory" which is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that Jews are trying to replace White people with immigrants. You may remember this from Charlottesville when the tiki torch crowd was chanting, "Jews will not replace us". They were not worried that Jews would replace them with Jews, but that Jews would replace them with immigrants. This was also the motivation of the guy who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh.

So, this is who Musk has now aligned himself.

I don’t understand. It all sounds insane, but what would the motivation for this purported “replacement”? What would Jews stand to gain from this? Who the fk believes this lunacy?

Of course it is insane. But, I think you can trace the evolution of this thinking like this:

1) first was the allegation that immigrants were replacing American workers by accepting lower pay for the same job;
2) second was the allegation that immigrants would get citizenship, maybe via amnesty, and then vote for Democrats;
3) third was the allegation that Democrats supported "open borders" in order to get more Democratic voters because of (2) above;
4) fourth was the realization that most Jews vote Democratic and some wealthy Jews (e.g. George Soros) were spending money on liberal causes.

This all led to:

Jews are supporting open borders in order to attract immigrants who will replace American workers and vote for Democrats leaving "real Americans" (i.e. White People) without jobs or political power. In other words, a Jewish war on white Americans.

The guy who Musk said spoke the truth refuses to fill sorry for Jews who face antisemitism because he believes that they are facing hatred from immigrants (not necessarily true) and that Jews are responsible for those immigrants being here (also not true).

Yglesias is a center left neoliberal and has shown that antisemitic fervor is strongest in conservative minority communities

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:For those of you having trouble putting all of this in context, the middle guy essentially espoused a version of the "Great Replacement Theory" which is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that Jews are trying to replace White people with immigrants. You may remember this from Charlottesville when the tiki torch crowd was chanting, "Jews will not replace us". They were not worried that Jews would replace them with Jews, but that Jews would replace them with immigrants. This was also the motivation of the guy who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh.

So, this is who Musk has now aligned himself.

I don’t understand. It all sounds insane, but what would the motivation for this purported “replacement”? What would Jews stand to gain from this? Who the fk believes this lunacy?

Of course it is insane. But, I think you can trace the evolution of this thinking like this:

1) first was the allegation that immigrants were replacing American workers by accepting lower pay for the same job;
2) second was the allegation that immigrants would get citizenship, maybe via amnesty, and then vote for Democrats;
3) third was the allegation that Democrats supported "open borders" in order to get more Democratic voters because of (2) above;
4) fourth was the realization that most Jews vote Democratic and some wealthy Jews (e.g. George Soros) were spending money on liberal causes.

This all led to:

Jews are supporting open borders in order to attract immigrants who will replace American workers and vote for Democrats leaving "real Americans" (i.e. White People) without jobs or political power. In other words, a Jewish war on white Americans.

The guy who Musk said spoke the truth refuses to fill sorry for Jews who face antisemitism because he believes that they are facing hatred from immigrants (not necessarily true) and that Jews are responsible for those immigrants being here (also not true).

Yglesias is a center left neoliberal and has shown that antisemitic fervor is strongest in conservative minority communities

But not all conservative minorities are immigrants and not all immigrants are conservative.

[Anonymous]

Also, it is not just a “soros boogeyman man” thing.

Bill Kristol also blatantly was championing replacement theory support a few years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/bill-kristol-asks-if-lazy-pockets-of-white-working/

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Also, it is not just a “soros boogeyman man” thing.

Bill Kristol also blatantly was championing replacement theory support a few years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/bill-kristol-asks-if-lazy-pockets-of-white-working/

Essentially, you are arguing that the great replacement theory is correct, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, it is not just a “soros boogeyman man” thing.

Bill Kristol also blatantly was championing replacement theory support a few years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/bill-kristol-asks-if-lazy-pockets-of-white-working/

News flash: every politically conservative capitalist since the 1600s has used “the great replacement” theory to try to marginalize immigrants.

They used it to complain about Irish and Italian immigrants. Chinese and Japanese immigrants in California. Jewish immigrants. And now it’s to complain about Latin American and ME/South Asian immigrants.

They’ve been playing the same tune for 300+ years to rile up working class whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Italians used to be considered "colored" (that is, not white but not black). Irish Americans suffered horrifically because they were not white, either.
I think gradually both groups became more assimilated as the Catholic Church became more accepted (and Catholics became more numerous).
Jews, though...we're not fully accepted anywhere. Nikki Haley (of all people) described what it was like trying to fit in in the South as the child of immigrants from India, in a world of white and black. I could relate.
What makes it harder is that some antisemitism nowadays comes from people of color, so if we're not white, it's not ask if we can comfortably take refuge in the non-white community.... [/quote

This nonsense of “whiteness” and “non whiteness” is pure American BS, born i guess of the British settlers who wanted to justify their primacy by telling themselves that they were also superior as the only “whites”. I am from europe and we consider all europeans white (traditional europeans before immigrations of the recent decades obviously) and jewish europeans are white too, no issue about that

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

WTF what does "never tried to assimilate" even mean in the context of Jews in America or Jews anywhere for that matter?? Assimilate to what? What does it even meant to "assimilate"???

Jewish Americans are Americans.