Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

Yeah well Asians are getting unfairly rejected at state schools, too.

Proof?

Stop the grievance. It's a disservice to the diverse Asian American community.

SHUT UP and accept your place, right?

Harvard isn't TJ.

Go to that thread

LMFAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

I'll give the Georgetown authors credit, they didn't hide the data that undermined their conclusions deep in the appendices. It is right there at the link, but you missed it.
They said going to test only admissions, would boost Asian admissions by about 20%, going from 12% to 14% of students.
That 21% of Asians who are losing their seats, are losing them mostly to other Asians. They said low scoring Asians are more likely to apply.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems "to live in good neighborhood" is a penalty for Asians. First they parents have to work extra hard and sacrifice more to afford living there then kids have to work extra hard to compete in large competitive public schools. In the end same hard work and good results are held against them.

Even if by any miracle a kid gets into an ivy, because of paying for housing in good neighborhood, parents don't have savings to afford these colleges. If they make more sacrifices, they ruin their retirement or kids get large loans, nobody is giving them financial aid. More than likely they'll go for merit at second tier or low cost state schools. Game is rigged.

Its double whammy, in admissions and in payments.

These colleges have billions in endowments and claim being non profit but they give no merit scholarships and charge a fortune to make admissions dependent on parent's affordability not applicant's eligibility.

Harvard runs its own hotels untaxed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

I'll give the Georgetown authors credit, they didn't hide the data that undermined their conclusions deep in the appendices. It is right there at the link, but you missed it.
They said going to test only admissions, would boost Asian admissions by about 20%, going from 12% to 14% of students.
That 21% of Asians who are losing their seats, are losing them mostly to other Asians. They said low scoring Asians are more likely to apply.

Georgetown doesn't have a reason to "hide" anything.

The study stands as is.

And don't forget that Georgetown is one the few elite private colleges that are not test optional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

You really don't understand Asian mindset/perspective. I am not the "angry" poster but that poster is correct. A lot of Asians I know (particularly parents with kids in MS/HS) are "angry" about AA. They don't see it as a tool to create diversity, they view it as a tool to screw Asian kids. What you are hearing thru out this thread is Asian posters (mostly older posters with kids in MS/HS maybe) saying they don't agree with AA and they are angry about it. And they do not believe the article is accurate - probably because they have never met anyone who support AA including myself.

I definitely don’t understand your perspective. It seems wildly entitled and racist in that you you support removing on of the very, very few policy tools available to directly combat a history of centuries of systemic racism — racism that is still ongoing today. The fact that posters like you seem so massively entitled that you don’t even deign to address that elephant in the room — the incredibly damaging impact of the policy change you advocate for — is baffling to me. I literally can’t grasp that level of entitlement.

[Anonymous]

""More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade."

Is it possible that the data is fake?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:""More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade."

Is it possible that the data is fake?

Did you vote for Donald " fake news" Trump?

Can't accept results you don't like?

69% doesn't leave for much debate here.

Even the most ardent Asian AA opponents among the bunch, the Chinese, are at like 59% in support overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

Correct, it will be holistic, race just won't be part of it anymore. If data show that certain races scored higher than others, it will be grounds for loss of federal funding or other lawsuits in the future, once AA is made illegal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?

If you choose willful blindness I can’t open your eyes.

Almost guaranteed that this response is from a different poster - not the parent ( likely a caring mother).

Stop hijacking other posts.

No, it’s me, the original PP. and I don’t appreciate being gaslighted. I actually completely agree the lawsuit is being brought in bad faith, and I don’t support that at all. I’d love to hear an alternative (as I said in my top comment). But I also have no patience for the gaslighting of Asian families and kids (also referenced in my top comment). People have justified this, TO MY FACE, claiming that current holistic admissions practices screens out boring super study nerds. You know… Asians.

The last thing I want is all Asian & White schools. I don’t think that’s in anyone’s best interest. But I also am not interested in hearing the current system is fine.

Newsflash: affirmative action and holistic college admissions are not the same.

Holistic admissions aren't going anywhere.

holistic admissions isn't going anywhere because the other components (athletics, legacy, donors) favor rich white people.