School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

How does it fit what you think is her “agenda”?

[Anonymous]

I had heard about the mom's text. I had not heard the dad searched for the gun and called 911.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

How does it fit what you think is her “agenda”?

Don't play coy. The last 20 pages are talking about a baseless far right NRA agenda to defend the pisspoor parents but the camera-mugging prosecutor creating the narrative and turning down local outlets to push her narrative on CNN and in national papers is just some humble Atticus Finch? Gimme a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

How does it fit what you think is her “agenda”?

Don't play coy. The last 20 pages are talking about a baseless far right NRA agenda to defend the pisspoor parents but the camera-mugging prosecutor creating the narrative and turning down local outlets to push her narrative on CNN and in national papers is just some humble Atticus Finch? Gimme a break.

WTF are you implying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had heard about the mom's text. I had not heard the dad searched for the gun and called 911.

All that information was in the same press conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

+1

Too little, too late, as usual.

Agree, although I think such a trite phrase minimizes their repeated and significant parenting deficiencies over lifetime. Sadly there are no classes or exams required to be a parent, nor really any minimum standards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

This suprises absolutely no one.

And did this neighbor alert CPS?

I hate to break it to you but only two states in our country have laws that state an age at which it is illegal to leave your child at home alone.

Kids are really out there on their own. And as posters have stated on this very forum, parents don't want the government "interfering with their family."

Conservatives seem very enthused about demanding rights for unborn children in this country, but after that, babies are their own.

+1

Exactly. And the schools are expected to raise the children, including confiscating deadly weapons that the PARENTS bought for the kid. SMDH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

+1

Too little, too late, as usual.

Agree, although I think such a trite phrase minimizes their repeated and significant parenting deficiencies over lifetime. Sadly there are no classes or exams required to be a parent, nor really any minimum standards.

+1

Agreed - typical of this kind of (non) parenting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at Zillow, there are pages and pages of new $500k to $1mn plus homes in Oxford, Oxford Township, and Metamora Township within the district's boundaries. This isn't some aww shucks backwater rust belt exurb. And take a look at the whopping salaries of the bureaucracy at the Oakland County ISD, which is the umbrella over Oxford schools:

https://www.mackinac.org/salaries?report=education...rt=wage2020-desc&filter=oakland+county%20intermediate

The fact that the state arm of the American Legislative Exchange Council--and home of the MI GQP--is your go-to reference site tells me all I need to know.

What's your point? I googled Michigan public salaries. Do you have another source? Is the salary data wrong?

My point is that it puts your outrage about school admins’ salaries into a context and it’s a context that reveals the ideological underpinning of your outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

+1

Too little, too late, as usual.

Agree, although I think such a trite phrase minimizes their repeated and significant parenting deficiencies over lifetime. Sadly there are no classes or exams required to be a parent, nor really any minimum standards.

+1

Agreed - typical of this kind of (non) parenting.

What’s odd is that it doesn’t seem like she was totally checked out—they got him an expensive Xmas present, she’s sending him jokey texts, etc. clearly they are awful parents but they are disengaged. They are just making all the wrong decisions because they are so steeped in their cultural or political beliefs that gun ownership is some sort of positive moral trait and any restraint on it or questioning of it is akin to telling them they can’t practice their religion. They are t hearing what the school says because she’s writing the school social workers off as an anti-gun knee jerk liberal who wants to take the guns from her family. Look back at her letter to trump—she’s basically saying her guns are more important to her than her right not to be sexually assaulted. That’s pretty profound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

How does it fit what you think is her “agenda”?

Don't play coy. The last 20 pages are talking about a baseless far right NRA agenda to defend the pisspoor parents but the camera-mugging prosecutor creating the narrative and turning down local outlets to push her narrative on CNN and in national papers is just some humble Atticus Finch? Gimme a break.

WTF are you implying

DP. I have no idea what that word-salad reply is supposed to mean.

[Anonymous]

Ethan Crumbley's cousin in Florida is posting on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OxfordShooting/comments/r64161/comment/hmtd96a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at Zillow, there are pages and pages of new $500k to $1mn plus homes in Oxford, Oxford Township, and Metamora Township within the district's boundaries. This isn't some aww shucks backwater rust belt exurb. And take a look at the whopping salaries of the bureaucracy at the Oakland County ISD, which is the umbrella over Oxford schools:

https://www.mackinac.org/salaries?report=education...rt=wage2020-desc&filter=oakland+county%20intermediate

The fact that the state arm of the American Legislative Exchange Council--and home of the MI GQP--is your go-to reference site tells me all I need to know.

What's your point? I googled Michigan public salaries. Do you have another source? Is the salary data wrong?

My point is that it puts your outrage about school admins’ salaries into a context and it’s a context that reveals the ideological underpinning of your outrage.

You have no point. You're a hyper-partisan nut.

[Anonymous]

Ethan *was* bullied, as detailed by a 12th grader at Oxford High School:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

+1

Too little, too late, as usual.

Agree, although I think such a trite phrase minimizes their repeated and significant parenting deficiencies over lifetime. Sadly there are no classes or exams required to be a parent, nor really any minimum standards.

+1

Agreed - typical of this kind of (non) parenting.

What’s odd is that it doesn’t seem like she was totally checked out—they got him an expensive Xmas present, she’s sending him jokey texts, etc. clearly they are awful parents but they are disengaged. They are just making all the wrong decisions because they are so steeped in their cultural or political beliefs that gun ownership is some sort of positive moral trait and any restraint on it or questioning of it is akin to telling them they can’t practice their religion. They are t hearing what the school says because she’s writing the school social workers off as an anti-gun knee jerk liberal who wants to take the guns from her family. Look back at her letter to trump—she’s basically saying her guns are more important to her than her right not to be sexually assaulted. That’s pretty profound.

Lots of parents who DGAF still buy expensive gifts. The bigger tell is that he drew that horrible drawing/cry for help and they just...left him there. And then he went to jail and they just...left town.