School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has it been mentioned that they appear to be able to afford a private practice attorney for themselves, while their son has to have a public defender?

I would be good money some right wing extremist person or group is bankrolling their defense, just like Rittenhouse. The shooter isn't a sympathetic cause but for gun nuts the parents absolutely are.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two assistant principals, fyi. Is there any school where being "sent to the office" lands the kid in the guidance counselor's office instead of with one principal, perhaps not the main, but an assistant? And I've never seen a guidance office separate from the administration -- everyone is in the same area of the school, connected by short office halls. It would be hard to miss a kid being quarantined for hours and parents being summoned for an emergency meeting. No chance the principal and both assistant principals had no idea. I think the super's letter is using weasel words and lying by omission and the "investigation" is just to give him enough time to plan his retirement.

In some schools, there is the principal, the vice principals (plural, in charge of discipline) and also counselors, so it gets confusing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at Zillow, there are pages and pages of new $500k to $1mn plus homes in Oxford, Oxford Township, and Metamora Township within the district's boundaries. This isn't some aww shucks backwater rust belt exurb. And take a look at the whopping salaries of the bureaucracy at the Oakland County ISD, which is the umbrella over Oxford schools:

https://www.mackinac.org/salaries?report=education...rt=wage2020-desc&filter=oakland+county%20intermediate

The fact that the state arm of the American Legislative Exchange Council--and home of the MI GQP--is your go-to reference site tells me all I need to know.

What's your point? I googled Michigan public salaries. Do you have another source? Is the salary data wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like the prosecutors must have info to a lot more evidence we have not yet seen. They seem very confident in their ability to charge the parents and did it very quickly.

A decision like this usually takes more time, if there are elements of doubt.

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Even just based on what we do know, these parents behaved egregiously. This is the most favorable fact pattern for a prosecutor in these circumstances that I've ever seen.

I think it's both. The prosecutor seems to be campaigning for higher office with every move she makes.

She seemed shaken and sincere to me.

Her honesty (about the school's possible errors) was refreshing.

We are much harder on women than men, that is a fact.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has it been mentioned that they appear to be able to afford a private practice attorney for themselves, while their son has to have a public defender?

Yes. Parents are being bankrolled, kid’s case is unwinnable.

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[Anonymous]

Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

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Anonymous wrote:Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

This suprises absolutely no one.

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I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop saying "call the police." There is a full-time sheriff's deputy in that school all day. It was clearly deliberate to not loop him in on Monday or Tuesday.

Cops (including SROs) do not prevent crime. Statistically, factually, realistically. The SROs job is to break up fights and ruin kids lives for possessing weed. Of course no one looped him in.

GTFO with that BS. Alexandria eliminated their SROs and it was a disaster in schools.

No one believes in your weird equity / social justice experiments at the expense of our kids.

Don’t turn our schools into CHOP zones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

This suprises absolutely no one.

And did this neighbor alert CPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

This suprises absolutely no one.

And did this neighbor alert CPS?

Read the article.

Yes, they called CPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents don't sound neglectful at all: "Jennifer and James Crumbley often left their young son home alone while drinking at bars in downtown Lake Orion in 2014 and 2015, former neighbor Kayla LeMieux said. The boy would have been between 8 and 9 years old at that time."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/12/05/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-ethan-oxford-high-shooting/8867284002/

This suprises absolutely no one.

And did this neighbor alert CPS?

I hate to break it to you but only two states in our country have laws that state an age at which it is illegal to leave your child at home alone.

Kids are really out there on their own. And as posters have stated on this very forum, parents don't want the government "interfering with their family."

Conservatives seem very enthused about demanding rights for unborn children in this country, but after that, babies are their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if he had access to his backpack during the meeting. If not, I think asking to do his science homework could just have been his way of trying to get access to his backpack which contained his gun.

What angers me most....According to news reports, when the fact that when the news reports came on saying that there was a shooter at the high school, the father checked to see if the gun was still where it was stored. It wasn't. Father then called 911, claimed his own gun was missing and the shooter might be his son.

There was a 2 hour gap between the meeting and the shooting. Now, I think the parents should have told the school officials the kid had access to a gun. But even if they weren't willing to do that, why didn't the parents check at home IMMEDIATELY to make sure the gun was at home?

That's a highly under-reported factoid. I guess whatever special interests are likely bankrolling the prosecutor's PR didn't think that fit their agenda.

Yes, and mom immediately texted the kid "Ethan don't do it." She knew immediately.

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Too little, too late, as usual.