No idiot, I have no obligation to sit silently and ignore someone who insults an entire group of women. If my reply is too dramatic for you, why don’t you take your own advice, stop engaging, and mind your own business? |
This is my thread for one thing. And I have actively tried to keep the topic away from the mommy wars, and on the subject, I asked about. If you want people to be respected, I suggest you first learn to act respectfully, which includes not lashing out and namecalling. Now if you have an answer to the actual question, please share it, but if you want to contiue mommy wars please leave and start your own thread. |
You are very defensive, which suggest you realize the PP who set you off said something that hit home for YOU. She spoke specifically about wealthy housewives complaining about their husbands. If you stay at home, the home is your job. Isn't that what SAHMs fight to be recognized for? That they are doing worthwhile work of child raising and taking care of the home, ie., cleaning, cooking, etc.? What exactly is your beef with what the PP said? How is she shaming all SAHMs? She's not. You are the nasty one who completely flew off the handle and started the name calling. |
OP here pp was patronizing, and her comment was meant to antagonize and instigate mommy wars. This thread is not supposed to be mommy wars. SO I'd like to try to get back on topic. If people don't want to do that I'll just ask Jeff to delete, because I'm not interested in bashing women for working or staying home. |
Agree, OP, the question is about the assumptions MEN make with regard to women and caretaking. |
OP, I am curious why you are asking this. Is your DH pressuring you to stay home? |
Sorry OP but you don’t get to direct the course of the thread and what we can and can’t post just bc you started it. |
| My husband didn’t assume that I’d be a SAHM. I had an MBA from a top school and I worked for 8 years before we had children. He really left the decision up to me and he said he would support whatever decision I made so I kept on working. Over time and after three children I made career adjustments that gave me a better work/life balance and my husband was always supportive even when it resulted in reduced earnings. What really helped us was that we always saved a lot of money so that if I wanted to be a SAHM I could have. But that’s not what I wanted. What’s interesting is that my husband has four brothers and all of their wives are SAHM as was his mother. I guess I married the enlightened one! |
-1. You are either the judgey PP or completely lack reasoning skills if what you wrote is what you got from that whole exchange. |
DP here. I agree with you. I think many of the responses have been positive and thoughtful, but obviously not the few PPs above. You can ask Jeff to delete derailing and mommy war posts -- he will do it. |
Thankfully no. Unfortunately, there are several women close to me who feel pressured to stay home, even though that's never what they wanted, and their husbands are being completely inflexible. There is also the multitude of threads of women worrying over becoming the default parent, or having to quit their job, or boyfriend/fiance etc has decided that the women in the equation is going to stay home. Where does this come from, that to many it's not even a thought that they could stay home instead of mom? Especially for younger men, men 50 and younger GenXers and Millenials I can understand in precvious generations where the society was stll so patriarchal. There have been many good points made regard socialization, men being criticized for staying home the way women are criticized for ether choice, religion, and culture. And interesting though I consider bogus claims of men being incapable of nurturing. Though I do think there could be an argument for their being a biological drive for a mom to be near her infant. I guess what are we getting wrong? |
| I think a lot of men want Stepford wives: Disney robots who will cook, clean, take care of children, and have sex, but don’t actually have any wants or needs of their own. |
Ha! This is the crux of it, isn’t it? It’s not that DH expects me to SAH, but that he expects me to do all of the work of a SAHM whether or not I work outside the home. |
I think it’s more insidious than this. Women carry the infant, so they start off a little more bonded with the infant. Then women take maternity leave, so they learn how to take care of the baby. Maybe they are nursing as well. Then when it comes time to go back, it becomes clear that two full throttle careers won’t work. Since the woman is more comfortable with the home stuff, she decides to step back a little. Since she is home more, more of the home management stuff falls on her. It makes sense. They decide to have another baby, and there is more to do at home. She is now making less money because she stepped back, and she is more comfortable with the home stuff, so it just makes sense for her to go part time. He now feels financial pressure to care for two children and a wife working part time. He goes even harder at work (after all, his wife is taking card of the kids), and starts to make more money. Meanwhile, her job becomes less enjoyable. She is less critical because she works part time, she is tired from doing everything at home, and work becomes only about the income. Then one day they look at the income. And with his increase in income, her part time income minus childcare for two kids is a very small portion of their take home. It seems like it’s not worth it for the stress it’s putting on the family. So she quits. Or takes very part time consulting work and becomes a SAHM. So, did she choose to quit? Did he pressure her into it? I don’t know. But unless both people make a real effort to maintain two working parents, it’s all too easy to fall into the above pattern. |
PP quoted. You have a nasty attitude and poor reading comprehension. Are you OP who is quoting and then ranting against anyone who dare doesn’t fit your narrative? My point is that not ALL men assume or expect that their wives will become SAHMs. I wouldn’t marry someone who made assumptions about any of our life choices. All needs to be discussed prior to marriage. You seem angry. Try to work on managing your own expectations. |