Jesus is a Liberal

[Anonymous]

Tight with time and blood too.

[Anonymous]

There are plenty of charities not church based that liberals could give time and money to. The just don't. The unpleasant facts I am learning from this thread are 1)liberals are tight with their money, time and blood (unless maybe the blood is tainted and they are barred from willingly giving it) 2) liberals don't go to church and therfore do not give. 3) even though God sent his Son to be tortured, ripped to the bone, crucified in a desparate measure of love and sacrifice but it was not necessary because liberals think there are tons of other ways to get to heaven. God really should have thought it through a little better before torturing his Son for no good reason. 4) Homosexuals favorite sex act is oral so even if God is not pleased with a reservior of reproductive matter lying dormant in the bowels of an adult male, they usually do oral so it's okay. 5)I have come to the quandry...why do liberals even care about christianity? Hanging out in a sex club would be a lot more fun than going to church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of charities not church based that liberals could give time and money to. The just don't. The unpleasant facts I am learning from this thread are 1)liberals are tight with their money, time and blood (unless maybe the blood is tainted and they are barred from willingly giving it) 2) liberals don't go to church and therfore do not give. 3) even though God sent his Son to be tortured, ripped to the bone, crucified in a desparate measure of love and sacrifice but it was not necessary because liberals think there are tons of other ways to get to heaven. God really should have thought it through a little better before torturing his Son for no good reason. 4) Homosexuals favorite sex act is oral so even if God is not pleased with a reservior of reproductive matter lying dormant in the bowels of an adult male, they usually do oral so it's okay. 5)I have come to the quandry...why do liberals even care about christianity? Hanging out in a sex club would be a lot more fun than going to church.

You have a very twisted set of learnings from this thread. You have not internalized one of the quotes from Jesus that is the topic of discussion. The pharisees were like that, too. They proudly wore the mantel of religion, even though they did not have God's love in their hearts.

You need to stop listening to your own head and start reading the words of Jesus. You have strayed.

Signed, a liberal who is a lifelong churchgoing Christian

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives more liberal fibers. Brooks study 2008 Syracuse university- liberal families make 6% more than conservatives but give 30% less on a straight dollar for dollar basis. Conservatives also give more time and blood. Bush carried 24 of the 25 states with charitable giving levels above average. People who reject the idea that government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality gave 400% more than people who accept that view.

This has already been covered in another thread. Conservatives numbers are higher because those statistics count church donations - even if those donations go to paying for the building and the ministers' salaries. This is not what people typically mean by Charity, even though it is considered a charitable contribution by the IRS.

Plus maybe conservatives just cheat on their taxes more (by inflating their charitable deductions)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of charities not church based that liberals could give time and money to. The just don't. The unpleasant facts I am learning from this thread are 1)liberals are tight with their money, time and blood (unless maybe the blood is tainted and they are barred from willingly giving it) 2) liberals don't go to church and therfore do not give. 3) even though God sent his Son to be tortured, ripped to the bone, crucified in a desparate measure of love and sacrifice but it was not necessary because liberals think there are tons of other ways to get to heaven. God really should have thought it through a little better before torturing his Son for no good reason. 4) Homosexuals favorite sex act is oral so even if God is not pleased with a reservior of reproductive matter lying dormant in the bowels of an adult male, they usually do oral so it's okay. 5)I have come to the quandry...why do liberals even care about christianity? Hanging out in a sex club would be a lot more fun than going to church.

You have a very twisted set of learnings from this thread. You have not internalized one of the quotes from Jesus that is the topic of discussion. The pharisees were like that, too. They proudly wore the mantel of religion, even though they did not have God's love in their hearts.

You need to stop listening to your own head and start reading the words of Jesus. You have strayed.

Signed, a liberal who is a lifelong churchgoing Christian

I've strayed...but you are a pro-homosexual marriage, pro abortion Christian who believes there are other ways to heaven other than from the One who said "no man can go to the Father except through me". I'll take my chances and play it safe in these matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of charities not church based that liberals could give time and money to. The just don't. The unpleasant facts I am learning from this thread are 1)liberals are tight with their money, time and blood (unless maybe the blood is tainted and they are barred from willingly giving it) 2) liberals don't go to church and therfore do not give. 3) even though God sent his Son to be tortured, ripped to the bone, crucified in a desparate measure of love and sacrifice but it was not necessary because liberals think there are tons of other ways to get to heaven. God really should have thought it through a little better before torturing his Son for no good reason. 4) Homosexuals favorite sex act is oral so even if God is not pleased with a reservior of reproductive matter lying dormant in the bowels of an adult male, they usually do oral so it's okay. 5)I have come to the quandry...why do liberals even care about christianity? Hanging out in a sex club would be a lot more fun than going to church.

You have a very twisted set of learnings from this thread. You have not internalized one of the quotes from Jesus that is the topic of discussion. The pharisees were like that, too. They proudly wore the mantel of religion, even though they did not have God's love in their hearts.

You need to stop listening to your own head and start reading the words of Jesus. You have strayed.

Signed, a liberal who is a lifelong churchgoing Christian

I've strayed...but you are a pro-homosexual marriage, pro abortion Christian who believes there are other ways to heaven other than from the One who said "no man can go to the Father except through me". I'll take my chances and play it safe in these matters.

Listen to the hate in your heart. You think this is a joke, but it is really inside of you. There really is a day for each of us to explain what is in our hearts. Even for you. Hate in your heart can get you sent to hell. One day you will be called to account for it. Change while there is still time.

[Anonymous]

I hate sin, I am a sinner, I love Jesus and am grateful for his sacrifice. I try not to sin but I often fail and then I continue trying because I want to be close to Jesus. The one thing I will never do is pretend that sin isn't sin and attempt to bend God to my will...through up smoke screens and bend his clear and simple message for the sake of my feelings. Homosexuality,fornication,abortion,cheating, lying, thinking sinful thoughts etc..are all sins. If you ask for forgiveness and repent you will be forgiven. Everybody needs help, everybody needs hope...everybody needs God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate sin, I am a sinner, I love Jesus and am grateful for his sacrifice. I try not to sin but I often fail and then I continue trying because I want to be close to Jesus. The one thing I will never do is pretend that sin isn't sin and attempt to bend God to my will...through up smoke screens and bend his clear and simple message for the sake of my feelings. Homosexuality,fornication,abortion,cheating, lying, thinking sinful thoughts etc..are all sins. If you ask for forgiveness and repent you will be forgiven. Everybody needs help, everybody needs hope...everybody needs God.

Jesus never spoke like you. You should think about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to "do" anything. All you need is faith that Jesus is who He says He is and accept His forgiveness. If you truly believe and become aware if His love for us everything else will follow-i.e., whatever behavioural and attitude changes in you that need to take place will follow.

John 3:16-17 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:John 14:6 - Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me".

How's that for conservative?

The satan-leaning christians don't like that one. Watch as they try to twist it around like lucifer. Or they may ignore it and hope nobody notices that Jesus doesn't let you off the hook. You are either for hom or against him. He is either God in human flesh, and must be accepted as the savior in order to go to heaven and aviod hell, or he is a lying lunatic.

You sound trolly, but here goes:

Jesus says he is the only way to come to the Father.

He does not mention what must be done, exactly, to be eligible to come to the Father. Christ, in his infinite justice, may deem all of us unworthy, in which case I hope we all like it hot. Or, in his infinite mercy, He may well give a pass to the righteous unbelievers. I don't know the ways of God, nor do I pretend to. See, I'm still just practicing. Maybe one day I'll be a good Christian.

I disagree:

Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. (Mat 7:20)

That's exactly what I am saying; we are not in disagreement. True faith will bring about action, i.e., "doing the will of My Father". It is an overflow of faith that brings about the action not the other way around. Outside of faith it is impossible to do the will of the Father - "faith without works is dead" - James 2v20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people are still dancing around the question. The following are diversions from the original post:

*Faith vs. works
*The Old Testament
*Paul and other people who are not actually Jesus
*Whether the absence of comment on pedophilia invalidates the premise of the original post

I think it is all too convenient to talk about these things, because then you don't have to look at what Jesus actually said about how people should live their lives.

Is anyone going to tackle Jesus' radical statements about wealth and poverty? He said that wealth is a barrier to heaven. Are people too afraid to examine this?

People always leave out Jesus's conclusion to this parable in Matthew 19v25 - 26

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Basically humanly speaking, it is impossible (camel into eye of a needle and rich man into kingdom of God). But with God everything is possible.

[Anonymous]

I do not believe that. There are too many people who are truly faithful who do not do good things. If you declare their faith to be not real because they do not do good things, it's a bit of a dodge. Even James 2 says that demons believe.

And there are nonbelievers who have dedicated their lives to what Jesus asked of us in the parable of the sheep and the goats Mt 25.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe that. There are too many people who are truly faithful who do not do good things. If you declare their faith to be not real because they do not do good things, it's a bit of a dodge. Even James 2 says that demons believe.

And there are nonbelievers who have dedicated their lives to what Jesus asked of us in the parable of the sheep and the goats Mt 25.

This was a reply to 22:52.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people are still dancing around the question. The following are diversions from the original post:

*Faith vs. works
*The Old Testament
*Paul and other people who are not actually Jesus
*Whether the absence of comment on pedophilia invalidates the premise of the original post

I think it is all too convenient to talk about these things, because then you don't have to look at what Jesus actually said about how people should live their lives.

Is anyone going to tackle Jesus' radical statements about wealth and poverty? He said that wealth is a barrier to heaven. Are people too afraid to examine this?

People always leave out Jesus's conclusion to this parable in Matthew 19v25 - 26

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Basically humanly speaking, it is impossible (camel into eye of a needle and rich man into kingdom of God). But with God everything is possible.

Yes, but he told the man to give up his wealth. He didn't say "If you believe, it's OK to keep all of your money".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people are still dancing around the question. The following are diversions from the original post:

*Faith vs. works
*The Old Testament
*Paul and other people who are not actually Jesus
*Whether the absence of comment on pedophilia invalidates the premise of the original post

I think it is all too convenient to talk about these things, because then you don't have to look at what Jesus actually said about how people should live their lives.

Is anyone going to tackle Jesus' radical statements about wealth and poverty? He said that wealth is a barrier to heaven. Are people too afraid to examine this?

People always leave out Jesus's conclusion to this parable in Matthew 19v25 - 26

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Basically humanly speaking, it is impossible (camel into eye of a needle and rich man into kingdom of God). But with God everything is possible.

Yes, but he told the man to give up his wealth. He didn't say "If you believe, it's OK to keep all of your money".

If the rich man believed his attitude to his money would change. It was the man's attitude to his money that was the problem not the money itself. If he truly accepted Christ's gift of salvation (saving faith), faith in Christ would become so important to him that if it were to be a choice between Christ and his $$, he would chose Christ. Money is not the root of all evil as people are want to misquote. The bible says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil - 1 Timothy 6v10.

[Anonymous]

Here is more on Jesus and wealth:

Mt 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

Luke 6:24“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.'

And then the parable of the rich fool, in which God admonishes a person who stores years' worth of food instead of giving it to others in need (Luke 12)

16 And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

18 “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19 And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’

20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”