Jesus is a Liberal

[Anonymous]

You don't have to "do" anything. All you need is faith that Jesus is who He says He is and accept His forgiveness. If you truly believe and become aware if His love for us everything else will follow-i.e., whatever behavioural and attitude changes in you that need to take place will follow.

John 3:16-17 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:John 14:6 - Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me".

How's that for conservative?

The satan-leaning christians don't like that one. Watch as they try to twist it around like lucifer. Or they may ignore it and hope nobody notices that Jesus doesn't let you off the hook. You are either for hom or against him. He is either God in human flesh, and must be accepted as the savior in order to go to heaven and aviod hell, or he is a lying lunatic.

You sound trolly, but here goes:

Jesus says he is the only way to come to the Father.

He does not mention what must be done, exactly, to be eligible to come to the Father. Christ, in his infinite justice, may deem all of us unworthy, in which case I hope we all like it hot. Or, in his infinite mercy, He may well give a pass to the righteous unbelievers. I don't know the ways of God, nor do I pretend to. See, I'm still just practicing. Maybe one day I'll be a good Christian.

[Anonymous]

There is no such thing as a righteous unbeliever or a righteous believer for that matter. Jesus said "not even one is good, only God is good". So souls are either washed clean by their belief in the savior and try to turn from their sins or are held accountable for every sin they commit.

[Anonymous]

Of course, all these attributions to Jesus are hearsay, and not admissible as evidence.

[Anonymous]

They are witness testimony. No, they do not purport to be the direct word of god spoken through an angel or other medium.

[Anonymous]

the beauty of the cross, the humiliating exposure of human selfishness is not of this earth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to "do" anything. All you need is faith that Jesus is who He says He is and accept His forgiveness. If you truly believe and become aware if His love for us everything else will follow-i.e., whatever behavioural and attitude changes in you that need to take place will follow.

John 3:16-17 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:John 14:6 - Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me".

How's that for conservative?

The satan-leaning christians don't like that one. Watch as they try to twist it around like lucifer. Or they may ignore it and hope nobody notices that Jesus doesn't let you off the hook. You are either for hom or against him. He is either God in human flesh, and must be accepted as the savior in order to go to heaven and aviod hell, or he is a lying lunatic.

You sound trolly, but here goes:

Jesus says he is the only way to come to the Father.

He does not mention what must be done, exactly, to be eligible to come to the Father. Christ, in his infinite justice, may deem all of us unworthy, in which case I hope we all like it hot. Or, in his infinite mercy, He may well give a pass to the righteous unbelievers. I don't know the ways of God, nor do I pretend to. See, I'm still just practicing. Maybe one day I'll be a good Christian.

I disagree:

Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. (Mat 7:20)

[Anonymous]

What good is it, my brothers if you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you. If a brother is naked and lacks daily food. If one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, keep warm and eat your fill', and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. (James 2:14-16)

[Anonymous]

works naturally follow admission of guilt, and appreciation of the price paid by God. But it is possible to have a deathbed conversion like the thief next to Jesus at Calvary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:works naturally follow admission of guilt, and appreciation of the price paid by God. But it is possible to have a deathbed conversion like the thief next to Jesus at Calvary

I think that's a cop out. There are plenty who truly believe but sin all the time. It is irrational to believe that belief in an idea "naturally" turns you into a good person. James 2: 18-19 says:

But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Clearly the demons believe but do not

[Anonymous]

Conservatives more liberal fibers. Brooks study 2008 Syracuse university- liberal families make 6% more than conservatives but give 30% less on a straight dollar for dollar basis. Conservatives also give more time and blood. Bush carried 24 of the 25 states with charitable giving levels above average. People who reject the idea that government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality gave 400% more than people who accept that view.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people are still dancing around the question. The following are diversions from the original post:

*Faith vs. works
*The Old Testament
*Paul and other people who are not actually Jesus
*Whether the absence of comment on pedophilia invalidates the premise of the original post

I think it is all too convenient to talk about these things, because then you don't have to look at what Jesus actually said about how people should live their lives.

Is anyone going to tackle Jesus' radical statements about wealth and poverty? He said that wealth is a barrier to heaven. Are people too afraid to examine this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives more liberal fibers. Brooks study 2008 Syracuse university- liberal families make 6% more than conservatives but give 30% less on a straight dollar for dollar basis. Conservatives also give more time and blood. Bush carried 24 of the 25 states with charitable giving levels above average. People who reject the idea that government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality gave 400% more than people who accept that view.

This has already been covered in another thread. Conservatives numbers are higher because those statistics count church donations - even if those donations go to paying for the building and the ministers' salaries. This is not what people typically mean by Charity, even though it is considered a charitable contribution by the IRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conservatives more liberal fibers. Brooks study 2008 Syracuse university- liberal families make 6% more than conservatives but give 30% less on a straight dollar for dollar basis. Conservatives also give more time and blood. Bush carried 24 of the 25 states with charitable giving levels above average. People who reject the idea that government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality gave 400% more than people who accept that view.

Right, but this is grossly misleading. This includes all church donations--whether they're used to pay for the clergy salary, big-screen TVs or sound systems for the church, etc, etc, etc...

Wouldn't it be nice if country club memberships were considered "charitable giving"? They'd even be tax deductible.

[Anonymous]

Liberals would like to give more blood than they do but maybe their blood is not clean enough to various reasons.

[Anonymous]

No liberals are just tight with their money