Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

Whatever means necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

Whatever means necessary.

Charles Bronson was reincarnated and now posting on DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and[/b] stopped [b]the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Define "stopped" in this scenario.

Whatever means necessary.

Charles Bronson was reincarnated and now posting on DCUM

It's a common expression.
If Charles Bronson once used it in a movie, I had no knowledge of that. I don't think I've ever even seen one of his movies.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

I would be forever grateful for Daniel Penny.

+1000. I am an NYC resident and if I were on this jury no way would I vote to convict. I was in a train car with an unhinged person who was screaming threats last week and it was terrifying. My train commute is 6 minutes, and it literally felt like hours. You have no idea what people are prepared to do and there’s no escape if you’re on a moving train with someone like that. And they’re so small/packed so tightly that someone with a knife or small weapon could do a TON of damage before being apprehended at the next station.

And to those of you (who obviously don’t ride the subway) who are calling people out for being hostile to the homeless - this is NOT your run of the mill homeless person just sitting quietly on the train. This particular type of person is deranged, belligerent, and often actively threatening people. It could be an empty threat, but who knows. There have been plenty of high-profile incidents recently where it wasn’t. I’d be very grateful for anyone willing to step up and neutralize that person when I’m trapped on a train with them.

It’s so bad that people like that are not permanently institutionalized. They will end up dead on the streets or in jail one way or another. I think the new Supreme Court will likely rethink the constitutional limits on involuntary commitment.

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

Nope, he's not dead at all. Prob at the "soup kitchen" right now eating caviar and watching Netflix on his Obama phone

He wasn’t dead for awhile. But he decided to FAFO that day. He is now dead due to his bad choices. Mental illness doesn’t matter when you start threatening other people. They have the right to defend themselves against your drug fueled crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

Nope, he's not dead at all. Prob at the "soup kitchen" right now eating caviar and watching Netflix on his Obama phone

He wasn’t dead for awhile. But he decided to FAFO that day. He is now dead due to his bad choices. Mental illness doesn’t matter when you start threatening other people. They have the right to defend themselves against your drug fueled crazy.

Neither a student of the law nor an expert on use of force.

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Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

Nope, he's not dead at all. Prob at the "soup kitchen" right now eating caviar and watching Netflix on his Obama phone

He wasn’t dead for awhile. But he decided to FAFO that day. He is now dead due to his bad choices. Mental illness doesn’t matter when you start threatening other people. They have the right to defend themselves against your drug fueled crazy.

Neither a student of the law nor an expert on use of force.

Who cares? The jury isn’t either. It’s not actually required to talk about the case. Penny will be a free man soon.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

So tired of mentally ill violent offenders praying on people who are smaller and weaker. Neely had 42 prior arrests, many for attacking weaker members of society. He knew what he was doing when he chose repeatedly to attack people like punching a 65 year old woman in the head unprovoked in a deli and punching a 67 year old women in the subway so hard without any provocation that she sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and pain and bruising on her head. These are two that he got caught for, but how many other vulnerable people did he attack. I can't find any reports that he attacked men his size.

So Neely is not going around attacking larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries. He is attacking and threatening elderly women and women with children in strollers. So according to you those larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries never have a right to defend others when they are in a trapped environment and are absolutely in fear of death?

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

So tired of mentally ill violent offenders praying on people who are smaller and weaker. Neely had 42 prior arrests, many for attacking weaker members of society. He knew what he was doing when he chose repeatedly to attack people like punching a 65 year old woman in the head unprovoked in a deli and punching a 67 year old women in the subway so hard without any provocation that she sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and pain and bruising on her head. These are two that he got caught for, but how many other vulnerable people did he attack. I can't find any reports that he attacked men his size.

So Neely is not going around attacking larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries. He is attacking and threatening elderly women and women with children in strollers. So according to you those larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries never have a right to defend others when they are in a trapped environment and are absolutely in fear of death?

Nice George Floyd talking points. It doesn't matter that you are mad. What matters is whether reasonable force was used. This is something that you can't seem to comprehend.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

So tired of mentally ill violent offenders praying on people who are smaller and weaker. Neely had 42 prior arrests, many for attacking weaker members of society. He knew what he was doing when he chose repeatedly to attack people like punching a 65 year old woman in the head unprovoked in a deli and punching a 67 year old women in the subway so hard without any provocation that she sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and pain and bruising on her head. These are two that he got caught for, but how many other vulnerable people did he attack. I can't find any reports that he attacked men his size.

So Neely is not going around attacking larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries. He is attacking and threatening elderly women and women with children in strollers. So according to you those larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries never have a right to defend others when they are in a trapped environment and are absolutely in fear of death?

Let’s not forget that the older people he attacked will likely never be the same. The guy on the train didn’t kill him, NYC police/social services did.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

So tired of mentally ill violent offenders praying on people who are smaller and weaker. Neely had 42 prior arrests, many for attacking weaker members of society. He knew what he was doing when he chose repeatedly to attack people like punching a 65 year old woman in the head unprovoked in a deli and punching a 67 year old women in the subway so hard without any provocation that she sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and pain and bruising on her head. These are two that he got caught for, but how many other vulnerable people did he attack. I can't find any reports that he attacked men his size.

So Neely is not going around attacking larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries. He is attacking and threatening elderly women and women with children in strollers. So according to you those larger, stronger, and more skilled adversaries never have a right to defend others when they are in a trapped environment and are absolutely in fear of death?

Nice George Floyd talking points. It doesn't matter that you are mad. What matters is whether reasonable force was used. This is something that you can't seem to comprehend.

Daniel Penny was not arresting Neely. He was defending the other people from a threat. What matters is whether the threat was reasonable. Not "reasonable force".

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

You called in the police to attack some poor homeless person for daring to be in the train car with you?

No sweetie. 70% of the people on the train in DC on any given day appear homeless. 🙃

The conversation we are having here is about what to do “when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent”

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

Yes. That’s what I did. Highly effective hence my strong recommendation to do so.

You go ahead and try to get a homeless lunatic in a headlock though. 🙃🙃🙃

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

You called in the police to attack some poor homeless person for daring to be in the train car with you?

No sweetie. 70% of the people on the train in DC on any given day appear homeless. 🙃

The conversation we are having here is about what to do “when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent”

So I should call 911 if I see someone acting crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That happens like maybe once for every 200 calls. You were just lucky that the next stop had someone ready to take the crazy out.
Most subway stations don't have that. In fact, I've seen people jump the turnstiles right in front of cops. The cops don't do anything because that is not their assignment.
It's stupid.
The underground crawls vermin of all species.

Wasn’t luck. Metro was contacted obviously by the 911 dispatcher to stop the train and leave the doors open so people could alight until transit police and police arrived on scene and apprehended the man who was still on the train. Whole operation took less than 10 minutes just like any other normal police call.